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February 10, 2017 at 3:54 am (This post was last modified: February 10, 2017 at 3:59 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(February 8, 2017 at 4:22 am)Bella Morte Wrote:
(February 1, 2017 at 5:33 pm)ukatheist Wrote: Can't believe I beat Bella to this...
A proper departure from the European Union is not likely to happen. I get the feeling that May and her friends will stab us in the back by eventually settling for a 'soft' Brexit and we don't really have the right attitude in the UK for standing up to governments that mess us about.
It is absolutely tragic to be honest with you but that's how it is. I would be pleasantly surprised if a 'hard' Brexit does happen but I remain pessimistic.
You are right to be sceptical about what politicians promise but in this case both May and the European Union want a hard Brexit.
That's why the UK is screwed.
Actually I want a hard Brexit too. I want it to really hurt sooner rather than later. That will mean that the UK is more likely to come back to the EU once the baby boomers die off rather than people getting used to the pain over time. I don't want to see the UK become a vassal state of the US.
(February 10, 2017 at 7:44 am)frankiej Wrote: I like Brexit hard, like my men.
In all seriousness though, I think we are fucked.
I have a spare room over here.
Well, not exactly spare but the girls don't mind sharing.
btw, I love the exchange rate at the moment.
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(February 8, 2017 at 7:31 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(February 8, 2017 at 4:22 am)Bella Morte Wrote: A proper departure from the European Union is not likely to happen. I get the feeling that May and her friends will stab us in the back by eventually settling for a 'soft' Brexit
Oh, no, no, no. May will deliver exactly what she promised - a "red, white and blue Brexit". Whatever that means...
Brexiters are gullible fools, who didn't plan beyond the referendum, upon which "achievement" the people, responsible for swindling the country into voting against its interest, declared that their job was done. And the morons, who believed their blatantly false slogans and the chest-thumping rhetoric and voted to leave - didn't even try to hold them accountable.
That's why the process of leaving the EU is in the hands of someone, who campaigned for "Remain". And you have no say in the proceedings. Your participation ended at the referendum. Now all you get to do, until the next election is stand in the corner and grimly watch adults try to clean up your mess. (I don't mean you personally, as I don't know if you voted).
Whatever happens - most of the country will be unhappy anyway. So Maggie May and the Funky Bunch can pretty much do whatever they please.
(February 8, 2017 at 4:22 am)Bella Morte Wrote: and we don't really have the right attitude in the UK for standing up to governments that mess us about.
Uhm, that's probably because at least half the country (possibly a lot more) doesn't want to leave the EU. Brexit - just like Drumpf presidency - was a political stunt, that went too far. And it's going to cost all of us.
(February 8, 2017 at 4:22 am)Bella Morte Wrote: It is absolutely tragic [...]
Yes, well - my sentiments, exactly...
I really don't feel like arguing with you. "Red, white and blue Brexit" is her way of supporting a 'soft' Brexit, so basically remaining part of the EU in all but name.
(February 11, 2017 at 4:29 am)Bella Morte Wrote: I really don't feel like arguing with you. "Red, white and blue Brexit" is her way of supporting a 'soft' Brexit, so basically remaining part of the EU in all but name.
Red white and blue Brexit is a meaningless phrase that anyone can read anything into.
(February 11, 2017 at 4:29 am)Bella Morte Wrote: I really don't feel like arguing with you. "Red, white and blue Brexit" is her way of supporting a 'soft' Brexit,
No. It was her way of saying nothing of substance, so that everyone - especially dim people, fond of nationalistic symbolism - could interpret her words however they like. Not that phrases like "soft Brexit", or "hard Brexit" have much meaning anyway. Nobody knows how what will be the outcome of the whole thing, because - as I said - nobody planned for it.
One thing is for certain - pretty much nobody will be happy. "Remainers" will be upset, because of the loss of many benefits associated with EU membership, and "Leavers" will be p*ssed off, because what they wanted was a nostalgic fantasy, which - obviously - was never going to come true.
(February 11, 2017 at 4:29 am)Bella Morte Wrote: so basically remaining part of the EU in all but name.
LOL... Yeah, you wish. And if you don't - you're going to. UK will very likely still be closely tied to EU, but it's going to lose much more than just the "EU member" title. Preferential treatment, a voice in EU Parliament, free access to the common market, possibly Scotland - those are just a few things that come to mind.
It's a good thing you're mentally preparing yourself for butt-hurt, because that's going to happen - one way or another. And it's lucky for you, that you have a scapegoat ready, so it'll be some time before you have to face the fact, that Brexit was a stupid idea and UK would have been better off without going through the whole debacle.
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Quote:An independent Scotland would join a queue of would-be EU members, a senior European official has said.
Jacqueline Minor, the head of representation for the European Commission in the UK, said if Scotland became independent and wanted to join the EU it would be added to the list of candidate countries including Montenegro, Serbia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Speaking at a Scottish Parliamentary Journalists' Association event in Edinburgh, she said: “Were Scotland to become independent, they would join that list.”
She added though that it might be easier for Scotland to meet membership criteria such as democracy, rule of law, anti-corruption and protection of minorities than other candidates.
Ms Minor also poured cold water on Scotland's ability to secure a special deal in Brexit negotiations.
You mean britain fucked scotland over....who could have ever seen that coming?
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Truth is that no one actually knows. It's an unprecedented situation. The laws don't specify what to do so each official is interpreting it in their own way.
It will be a negotiation on both sides. The best thing to do is to look at each side's motives. The EU want to punish the UK for Brexit to dissuade other countries from leaving and the threat of the breakup of the UK would mean that they can say to other countries that it wasn't good for the UK to leave. On the other hand they don't want Scotland to get the unfair deal that the UK had so they don't want to make it look like they can take things for granted. On the other hand they wouldn't want to discourage the independence movement. Although a country like Spain would because of Catalonia.
One thing that would help Scotland though is that has already met all the conditions to be part of the EU, all its laws are in compliance. The other countries applying to join have to go through the long process of changing their laws to fit. There is no reason why there has to be a sequential queue. Each application to join the EU can be done, and should be. After all what if one country that applies first holds up every other country that is no ready to join? This then suggests that talk of being at the back of the queue is meant to encourage / discourage rather than actually reflects reality.
