Smart Republicans.... there are a few.

[ReptilianPeon]

And somebody, like Hilary, who voted for the Patriot Act (negating the 4th amendment) or who used a private e-mail server (which was unencrypted for three months) to reveal state secrets to foreign governments is a patriot? No acknowledgement that you where wrong about cyber security in the other thread? Hilary is about as much of a "patriot" as Donald. She should have done the decent thing and not run for president whilst being investigated by the FBI for criminality; if it was anybody else the cooperate media would be all over them. Naturally, I'm an idiot for pointing out the fact that Hilary, like Donald - in relation to Trump University -  has broken laws.

Just because a Republican hasn't said they like Hilary doesn't mean they like Donald (hint: they still could ditch him at the convention). A lot of people, given the American electoral system, will be voting for Donald simply because they hate Hilary more. That's the nature of the American elections. I thought you'd have figured that out seeing as you're such an intelligent person compared to me.

You know, just because somebody doesn't want to endorse Hilary doesn't mean they aren't sane. A really sane person wouldn't have picked either of them. And they had the chance to in the primaries. But, of course, only a retard like me would not vote for a candidate under FBI criminal investigation.

You've got no arguments as to why Hilary is a good candidate. All you seem to have is ad hominem attacks and "she's not Donald". Isn't it amazing that Donald and his supporters are doing far more than Hilary and her supporters to appeal to Independents/3rd party voters and Bernie voters? Hilary is far too arrogant to win the election because she thinks that she owns everyone's votes. She think she'll have it easy, whilst at the same time trying her best not to appeal to anyone.

Come on, you're supposed to be smarter than me. You are a Hilary supporter after all. And I'm just a dumb Hilary Hater. Nobody who hates Goddess Hilary can ever be intelligent, isn't that right?

In summary, both Donald and Hilary are criminals (e.g. Trump University and Hilary's e-mail server) and I wouldn't vote for either of them. People are so brainwashed they have no problems voting for somebody under FBI criminal investigation. And we know there was intent behind Hilary's sever - which put national security at risk. But of course I'm retarded for not wanting to vote for Hilary even though the facts point to her being a criminal.

How many times must I point out that I don't like Donald either? Seeing as you support Hilary your I.Q. is supposed to be amazingly high and mine, because I don't support Hilary, is supposed to be super low. So why do I have to keep repeating myself?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Isn't it amazing that Donald and his supporters are doing far more than Hilary and her supporters to appeal to Independents/3rd party voters and Bernie voters?

Far more what? Words? Jesus please us, it is an election cycle ... if you actually believe what a candidate says, you're a bigger fool than I had previously thought. Even as he tries to woo (pun intended) the independents, Trump spouts rhetoric obnoxious to us, thinking we are too stupid to see through his ploy. Independents decline party assignation or membership precisely because they prefer nuance and thoughtfulness, both qualities in desperately short supply from the Mouth That Roared. To think that a thoughtful person should place stock in any candidate's words, much less one of Trump's ilk, is silly. We independents will adjudge for ourselves, and all that asshole's backtracking will not cover his past steps.

I'm not sure why I should assign any importance to your opinion, as you won't deal with most of the fallout no matter which way our election turns. And any importance I might ascribe would be mitigated by given your obvious bias.

[ReptilianPeon]

But the point is Donald will manage to convince people to vote for him over Hilary even though we both know Donald, like Hilary, will say anything to get elected. You saw the Brexit result; sometimes people get so fed up they just say: "Fuck it".

At this point, Hilary isn't even saying anything to appeal to disaffected Bernie voters, who she needs on her side if she wants to have any hope of winning. Donald is lying, obviously, but he's at least trying to sound appealing now. I won't forgive him for his racism but what I am saying is Hilary is running an awful campaign herself. If she continues to allienate large portions of the Democratic vote she will lose the election.

[Thumpalumpacus]

But the point is Donald will manage to convince people to vote for him over Hilary even though we both know Donald, like Hilary, will say anything to get elected. You saw the Brexit result; sometimes people get so fed up they just say: "Fuck it".

No, the point is that when you spew vitriol in the past you'll have to answer for it. Clinton's team no doubt has video of each ugly sentiment Trump has shopped out to the public, will hammer him with those clips.

Google the term "hostages to fortune". That might help you understand the point here.

At this point, Hilary isn't even saying anything to appeal to disaffected Bernie voters, who she needs on her side if she wants to have any hope of winning. Donald is lying, obviously, but he's at least trying to sound appealing now. I won't forgive him for his racism but what I am saying is Hilary is running an awful campaign herself. If she continues to allienate large portions of the Democratic vote she will lose the election.

This, I think, is a foreigner's misreading of American politics in play. Firstly, Clinton is playing to the Democrat base, not alienating them. Secondly, you're entirely ignoring the fact that Trump, in the "fight" he's put up for the center, has issued such extreme statements on so many issues that he's alienated women, blacks, Latinos, and gays. Discounting the overlap between those groups he's still kept his base pissed-off white men.

That's not how you win an election in America.

[ReptilianPeon]

And Trump will highlight Hilary's corruption. Hilary is just as scandal ridden as Donald. Reason millions of people didn't vote Hilary is because they view her as corrupt. Donald can use his lack of fundraising to his advantage by saying he's not as corrupt as she is.

And, behold, you have an election were very little policy substance is discussed. Donald Trump will go after Hilary over the content of her e-mails. They show Hilary put personal gain above national security.

You know, Mitt Romney dismissed half the country during the presidential election with his comments about "the 47%". Donald isn't doing that. He's actively trying to create more angry white people. He's actually changed his tune now that primaries are over. This is dangerous for Hilary.

He is now emphasizing many of the things Bernie talked about in the primaries. I believe in one speech he said "I'm going to turn the Republican Party into a workers party". And all the talk of trade deals the cost millions of Americans kind and a corrupt political class is making some people (not me) reconsider him.

Donald is deviating from standard Republican talking points. And it may just work. Hilary can only manage to speak in clichés and platitudes and this will cost her loads of votes if Donald keeps up his current act.

[Minimalist]

The problem there, shithead, is that Drumpf's corrupt business practices are laid out in court cases all across the country.  How about you producing some evidence about Clinton that does not come from the Far Right rumor mill.  You know, real fucking evidence?  Or maybe you don't understand the fucking difference?

[Thumpalumpacus]

And all the talk of trade deals the cost millions of Americans kind and a corrupt political class is making some people (not me) reconsider him.

Are you able to vote in an American election?

I don't think your view from a distance is as accurate as mine is, living here. I don't know what sources you use, but I know my sources: living, breathing people who talk politics with me, buy gas at my station, work on my truck, pick up my trash. Many simply aren't going to vote, because they're Republicans, but detest Trump.

[Minimalist]

And along that line.....

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/ha...ion-224815

Hardly anybody wants to speak at Trump's convention

POLITICO reached out to more than 50 prominent Republicans. Few said they plan to attend the convention in Cleveland, let alone speak.

With the convention less than a month away, POLITICO contacted more than 50 prominent governors, senators and House members to gauge their interest in speaking. Only a few said they were open to it, and everyone else said they weren’t planning on it, didn’t want to, or weren’t going to Cleveland at all — or simply didn’t respond.

[Minimalist]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/politics/r...index.html

Republican women organize to support Clinton

Over the next several months, members of Republican Women for Hillary plan to provide cover for Republicans looking to speak out against Trump, whose surprising rise has torn the party apart.

[Minimalist]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/texas-go...ood-nazis/

Texas GOP ‘lifer’ resigns from party over Trump: ‘No redemption in being one of the good Nazis’

Having established his history, he continued “Despite the bold rhetoric, we all know Trump will lose. Why throw away a great personal investment over one bad nominee? Trump is not merely a poor candidate, but an indictment of our character. Preserving a party is not a morally defensible goal if that party has lost its legitimacy.”

“Fast-forward to our present leadership and the nature of our dilemma is clear. I watched Paul Ryan speak at Donald Trump’s convention the way a young child watches his father march off to prison,” he wrote. “Thousands of Republican figures that loathe Donald Trump, understand the danger he represents, and privately hope he loses, are publicly declaring their support for him. In Illinois our local and state GOP organizations, faced with a choice, have decided on complicity.”
“Evasion and cowardice has prevailed over conscience. We are now, and shall indefinitely remain, the Party of Donald Trump,” he continued. “I will not contribute my name, my work, or my character to an utterly indefensible cause.