4 Officers Shot Dead By Snipers, 7 Wounded in Dallas Protest Against Police Violence

[Brian37]

Hate to say it, but these officers had it coming to them. They did this to themselves. If you join yourself to any organization, faith, affiliation or otherwise, you have to be held responsible for the consequences of being a part of that organization or affiliation. If I joined the Mafia, I would be held responsible for what that entailed and these police are no different.

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How many guns do we need before society says "enough"? We have more guns than citizens. What would be enough guns? 500,000,000? 1 billion? 2 billion? 3 billion? I can never get a good answer from the gun worshipers. It's always "TYRANNY, COMMIE, FASCIST". Bullshit selfish tirades because a gun's life is more important than a humans.

Communists are actually very pro-gun, despite right-winger claims. Mao Zedong himself said that change comes through the barrel of the gun. Of course, this isn't about communism but common sense gun legislation. The United States is the largest arms dealer in the world and has more gun deaths combined than deaths in all of the wars it's fought.

We need some common sense reforms, that much is obvious.

 
Doesn't surprise me, that is also the same myth gun nutters had about Hitler taking away all weapons, that is simply flat out bullshit. He did, but not for party loyalists or nationalists, to his loyalist he expanded gun rights, and only took them away from "the wrong people", meaning Jews and political dissenters.

And the irony also is that OUR ALLIES after WW1 put heave weapons restrictions on Germany after WW1 and that is what Hitler undid.

I am sick of the fucking bullshit that is is tyranny that insuring the mentally ill or domestic abusers or violent people should not own them, and that you merely want big clips and big riffles, but don't need them, that somehow these gun nuts think we want to become Hitler or Stalin, and that is simply flat out bullshit. Even Gabbi Giffords who was SHOT herself, still owns guns. What the left wants is simply some PRAGMATISM.

[Brian37]

Hate to say it, but these officers had it coming to them. They did this to themselves. If you join yourself to any organization, faith, affiliation or otherwise, you have to be held responsible for the consequences of being a part of that organization or affiliation. If I joined the Mafia, I would be held responsible for what that entailed and these police are no different.

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How many guns do we need before society says "enough"? We have more guns than citizens. What would be enough guns? 500,000,000? 1 billion? 2 billion? 3 billion? I can never get a good answer from the gun worshipers. It's always "TYRANNY, COMMIE, FASCIST". Bullshit selfish tirades because a gun's life is more important than a humans.

Communists are actually very pro-gun, despite right-winger claims. Mao Zedong himself said that change comes through the barrel of the gun. Of course, this isn't about communism but common sense gun legislation. The United States is the largest arms dealer in the world and has more gun deaths combined than deaths in all of the wars it's fought.

We need some common sense reforms, that much is obvious.

Oh fuck off MYGleon  BOTH of the black guys shot in national news, THEIR family members all said what happened in Dallas was NOT justified.

I am sick of this shit. It is possible to be against police abuse and also advocate non violence at the same time. Violence begets violence and revenge is bullshit, it solves nothing.

YES racism, be it intentional or unintentional by law enforcement DOES exist. 

I am going to scream this over and over if I have to.

Our problem is that WHITE PEOPLE DO NOT LISTEN, lots do, but many don't. The ones that don't listen or flat out racist, or simply unintentionally tone deaf because they hide behind "I'm not a bigot myself", the same dodge moderate and liberal Muslims hide behind "Most dont" which is not the point. It only takes just enough of a big enough MINORITY that cause problems that the majority does not confront.

THE OTHER problem is our flooded gun market. The morons who are blind to that RIGHTFULLY  want police to be safe, I AGREE, they should be. But when all you do pump guns out like candy, those same police we want to get home safely at night, have to fear every traffic stop as that person being a potential danger. 

How about we should ALL want police and blacks and whites to all make it home safely at night? How about we ACCEPT that blacks ARE hurt worse by the economy and justice system. How about we also accept that we SHOULD NOT be scaring cops into using guns as a default, and also teach society to KNOW that the odds are they are more likely to hurt themselves or someone in the home before protecting themselves from a stranger or active shooter.

NO those cops did not deserve it anymore than those two black guys. WE simply have one fucking party and one industry lobby scaring the crap out of police and whites and blacks for no other reason than to protect the profits of gun factories.

AND NO NO NO NO NO,............ Anyone responding to this with "COMMIE, FASCIST, TYRANNY" can go fuck themselves.

I am simply sick of the violence, I am sick of the gun death, I don't care who is doing what to who. I care about black lives, I care that we ignore race is an issue with police interactions. BUT MORE GUNS is not the fucking solution.

[Godscreated]

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I think the best thing to do when one is pulled over is to have your drivers license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance card already out to hand to the officer before he/she gets to your vehicle, this will always show compliance with the law and the officer and it will keep the situation calm. Everyone knows the officer is going to ask for them so why not have them within easy reach, sunvisor would be a good place to keep both the vehicle registration and proof of insurance card. We all can do our part to help make a situation a calm situation.

Gc

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No, sorry, blacks have ended up dead, after being restrained AND ended up dead even when unarmed. I can show you video of a cop shooting an unarmed black guy in the FUCKING BACK. I can also show you video of cops confronting a white guy with a gun without killing him.

No, whites and blacks ARE NOT treated the same by police. Having a gun aimed at me by a cop for having a toy gun, and another time having thrown a wallet at a cop, and living both times, I know I am treated differently. In the first place I complied, in the second case I did not, but in both cases I survived.

Police need better training, they instead have a default position of being taught fear and battlefield training. But that is only one problem. You cannot rightfully say that you want police to be safe, and send them into the urban or suburban or rural areas, because GUN VIOLENCE isn't simply city, you cant rightfully say you want them safe, then constantly have them face an armed public, then sell more guns to the public because you are afraid of government tyranny. It is simply fucking teaching both to be paranoid. And that paranoia is great for gun sales.

Our gun obsession is the biggest problem, or flooded market does not help. But beyond that our economy sucks, and we don't invest enough in poor communities, or wages for all urban, suburban and rural middle class and poor. We don't do enough to invest in enough police, which constantly has them limited to one on one or two at best situations, we don't train the them in distance deescalation conflict resolution, we far too often train them to dominate and shoot first. 

And again, I still have never gotten a good answer as to how many guns would be enough, we already have more guns than citizens. When do we stop 1 billion guns? 5 billion guns? 

Nobody wants a nanny state and this is not about a gun grab, or about taking every single firearm of all types away. If we have to ban an individual type certainly the person who has that particular type should be paid for it, and if legal they certainly wouldn't be banned from owning other types. If you want a shotgun, or low power limited clip single shot riffle, for hunting or home protection, or a six or 8 capacity handgun, fine. But when you consider buying one, I think it is absurd going in being blind to the stats, just like abstinence only approach to sex education creates more problems. "Legal at time of buy" is the same type of blind ignorance and lack of pragmatism. It isn't enough to merely think you are good, and have good intent, or think you are a good shot. You are more likely to fuck yourself with one in the home than to protect yourself from a stranger or active shooter. Not enough potential buyers want to face those odds. Just like saying abstinence only  sex education does not work, isn't calling for a ban on heterosexual marriage.

 It doesn't matter what I post you have a rant for it and on this one I do not even see a connection between what I posted and what you're ranting about.

 Now to answer to some of your post. When we give government and inch they will take a mile, if we start with banning fire arms soon they will take them all. If we were to be disarmed then the bad guys will only need knives. Personally I have guns that have small capacity and one that is powerful up to a mile.
 You surely do not believe that terrorist are going to turn in their guns do you and then what we fight them with pea shooters. you think criminals and gang members are going to turn in their guns, I think not, so we disarm the lawful to make it even easier for the unlawful to use their guns on us.
 For my home protection I have a first line of defense with 5 rottweilers, if someone happened to get by them then I'll know they have ill intent and have my unloaded guns loaded and ready.
 I agree with you that some police officers do unfairly treat black Americans and Americans black or white with long hair, none of that is acceptable. Some try to take advantage of women, unacceptable. These are the few, most police officers are like the 5 killed in Dallas, good people who were a benefit to their community, 5 good officers lost, and the people who were at the shooting were praising the police for their actions while they were under fire.
 What we need is an America full of Americans, not white Americans, African Americans, Latin Americans, Asian Americans, Irish Americans ( I'm one and never mention it). Until we can come together without these divisions there will always be division, why, because we start out dividing ourselves into groups. This is  one nation of Americans who should love each other because we are all apart of this nation. You said you had pictures of police doing bad things, yet you seem to forget that there are more stories coming out of Dallas about what the police officers did for the people than you have pictures. Very few police officers murder people, more murders are committed by civilians on civilians, those officers who do commit murder should be severely punished because they have a greater responsibility and thus held to a higher standard.

 Now for what I posted that you seem to disagree with, that suggestion was for all people not just minorities, whether you like it or not we have a responsibility to help the police to do their jobs well and what I suggested isn't an inconvenance for anyone and not only aid the police it would get us on our way quicker and leave behind a more thankful officer. Your bias against the police is not acceptable.

To answer your question we should have as many guns a people want to legally own.

GC

[Minimalist]

I think the best thing to do when one is pulled over is to have your drivers license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance card already out to hand to the officer before he/she gets to your vehicle, this will always show compliance with the law and the officer and it will keep the situation calm. Everyone knows the officer is going to ask for them so why not have them within easy reach, sunvisor would be a good place to keep both the vehicle registration and proof of insurance card. We all can do our part to help make a situation a calm situation.

Gc

In a perfect world perhaps, G-C.

I imagine we agree that the world is far from perfect.

[MyGLeonTrotsky]

I was taken out of context here. I didn't say that killing black people was ever justified. Neither did I say killing police is ever justified. All I said was if you are a member of a group or organization which adheres to certain principles and engages in certain actions, then you need to be held to account for those things. All I said was cops are not exempt from responsibility purely because they are cops.

[Thumpalumpacus]

All I said was if you are a member of a group or organization which adheres to certain principles and engages in certain actions, then you need to be held to account for those things. All I said was cops are not exempt from responsibility purely because they are cops.

Yes. This is advocating for collective guilt. Just because a cop is a cop doesn't mean he owns the malfeasance of another cop hundreds or thousands of miles away.

[Minimalist]

I was taken out of context here. I didn't say that killing black people was ever justified. Neither did I say killing police is ever justified. All I said was if you are a member of a group or organization which adheres to certain principles and engages in certain actions, then you need to be held to account for those things. All I said was cops are not exempt from responsibility purely because they are cops.

You may not be completely off base, there.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/nypd-cop...black-men/

NYPD cop secretly records supervisor pressuring him to racially profile black men

If I set up a potentially dangerous situation I am not innocent if someone else pulls the trigger.  It seems to be that the police are being aimed at minority communities.

And it is not exactly news where this came from.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/j...ks-hippie/

Report: Aide says Nixon's war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies

[Brian37]

No, sorry, blacks have ended up dead, after being restrained AND ended up dead even when unarmed. I can show you video of a cop shooting an unarmed black guy in the FUCKING BACK. I can also show you video of cops confronting a white guy with a gun without killing him.

No, whites and blacks ARE NOT treated the same by police. Having a gun aimed at me by a cop for having a toy gun, and another time having thrown a wallet at a cop, and living both times, I know I am treated differently. In the first place I complied, in the second case I did not, but in both cases I survived.

Police need better training, they instead have a default position of being taught fear and battlefield training. But that is only one problem. You cannot rightfully say that you want police to be safe, and send them into the urban or suburban or rural areas, because GUN VIOLENCE isn't simply city, you cant rightfully say you want them safe, then constantly have them face an armed public, then sell more guns to the public because you are afraid of government tyranny. It is simply fucking teaching both to be paranoid. And that paranoia is great for gun sales.

Our gun obsession is the biggest problem, or flooded market does not help. But beyond that our economy sucks, and we don't invest enough in poor communities, or wages for all urban, suburban and rural middle class and poor. We don't do enough to invest in enough police, which constantly has them limited to one on one or two at best situations, we don't train the them in distance deescalation conflict resolution, we far too often train them to dominate and shoot first. 

And again, I still have never gotten a good answer as to how many guns would be enough, we already have more guns than citizens. When do we stop 1 billion guns? 5 billion guns? 

Nobody wants a nanny state and this is not about a gun grab, or about taking every single firearm of all types away. If we have to ban an individual type certainly the person who has that particular type should be paid for it, and if legal they certainly wouldn't be banned from owning other types. If you want a shotgun, or low power limited clip single shot riffle, for hunting or home protection, or a six or 8 capacity handgun, fine. But when you consider buying one, I think it is absurd going in being blind to the stats, just like abstinence only approach to sex education creates more problems. "Legal at time of buy" is the same type of blind ignorance and lack of pragmatism. It isn't enough to merely think you are good, and have good intent, or think you are a good shot. You are more likely to fuck yourself with one in the home than to protect yourself from a stranger or active shooter. Not enough potential buyers want to face those odds. Just like saying abstinence only  sex education does not work, isn't calling for a ban on heterosexual marriage.

 It doesn't matter what I post you have a rant for it and on this one I do not even see a connection between what I posted and what you're ranting about.

 Now to answer to some of your post. When we give government and inch they will take a mile, if we start with banning fire arms soon they will take them all. If we were to be disarmed then the bad guys will only need knives. Personally I have guns that have small capacity and one that is powerful up to a mile.
 You surely do not believe that terrorist are going to turn in their guns do you and then what we fight them with pea shooters. you think criminals and gang members are going to turn in their guns, I think not, so we disarm the lawful to make it even easier for the unlawful to use their guns on us.
 For my home protection I have a first line of defense with 5 rottweilers, if someone happened to get by them then I'll know they have ill intent and have my unloaded guns loaded and ready.
 I agree with you that some police officers do unfairly treat black Americans and Americans black or white with long hair, none of that is acceptable. Some try to take advantage of women, unacceptable. These are the few, most police officers are like the 5 killed in Dallas, good people who were a benefit to their community, 5 good officers lost, and the people who were at the shooting were praising the police for their actions while they were under fire.
 What we need is an America full of Americans, not white Americans, African Americans, Latin Americans, Asian Americans, Irish Americans ( I'm one and never mention it). Until we can come together without these divisions there will always be division, why, because we start out dividing ourselves into groups. This is  one nation of Americans who should love each other because we are all apart of this nation. You said you had pictures of police doing bad things, yet you seem to forget that there are more stories coming out of Dallas about what the police officers did for the people than you have pictures. Very few police officers murder people, more murders are committed by civilians on civilians, those officers who do commit murder should be severely punished because they have a greater responsibility and thus held to a higher standard.

 Now for what I posted that you seem to disagree with, that suggestion was for all people not just minorities, whether you like it or not we have a responsibility to help the police to do their jobs well and what I suggested isn't an inconvenance for anyone and not only aid the police it would get us on our way quicker and leave behind a more thankful officer. Your bias against the police is not acceptable.

To answer your question we should have as many guns a people want to legally own.

GC

Holly shit GC, you think a "rant" is undue after the last 3 weeks of nonstop gun death? That's just the tip of the ice burg. We have had more civilians die from gun use than those that die in our wars. Damn't right I am going to "rant". I live out here  in the sticks, and just this past weekend they found a local girl DEAD shot in the head in a restaurant parking lot.  Not a big city, not even the suburbs, the fucking sticks.

If you find the average of 33k gun deaths per year acceptable, you have your priorities way out of whack.

Damned right I am going to rant, and every single day too.

[Minimalist]

Jesus was an ammosexual.

[Brian37]

I think the best thing to do when one is pulled over is to have your drivers license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance card already out to hand to the officer before he/she gets to your vehicle, this will always show compliance with the law and the officer and it will keep the situation calm. Everyone knows the officer is going to ask for them so why not have them within easy reach, sunvisor would be a good place to keep both the vehicle registration and proof of insurance card. We all can do our part to help make a situation a calm situation.

Gc

In a perfect world perhaps, G-C.

I imagine we agree that the world is far from perfect.

But just like God belief, gun worshipers live in a delusion that if we just include more, things will get better. If thinks worked like that we would not be seeing the level of gun deaths we do, so even if these idiot want to claim it is going down, it is still not fast enough and we still have much more gun violence than any other first world ally.

No we most certainly DO NOT live in a perfect world, but some thing if we just keep repeating the same mistakes we can get different outcomes.