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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:24 am
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Let's hear em? You're off to an awfully shitty start, btw, lol.
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:25 am
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How about you check previous posts?
Oh, well, then, boo on you.
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:25 am
(August 18, 2016 at 1:14 am)Maelstrom Wrote: My free will arguments are always intelligible, yet they go ignored for the atheist agenda. Yes, I went there. Sometimes, the supposed atheist ignores reason because it counter acts preconceived notions of something that is held "sacred" within the atheist community.
I'm yet to see you give an argument.
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:27 am
Look up two posts from this one.
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:27 am
32 pages bud, maybe pick what you feel is your best and link the page, at least?
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:30 am
(August 18, 2016 at 1:27 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Look up two posts from this one.
Look up 3 posts above this one.
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:31 am
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It would probably be better to just repeat myself, since reason does not change.
Free will exists due to choice. That cannot and never will change.
Choice is the very epitome of free will, for it allows a choice to be made.
If free will does not exist, as atheists claim, then one is clearly unable to make a choice.
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:34 am
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See, not an argument.
You're simply defining "free choice" as "choice" or IOW "free will" as "will".
The question is not whether we have a choice, but whether our choices are free.
You're assuming your conclusion within your premise!
I find it rather amusing that you're an anti-theist but your debate 'skills' are theistic 
ETA: You're basically saying "choices are free because of course we have a choice!"
That. Is. Not. An. Argument.
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:52 am
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Can't really add anything to Hams comments about your "argument". I can, however, remind you that claiming that free will doesn't exist, being skeptical of free will, or commenting on the validity or soundness of the arguments for free will... has nothing to do with atheists or atheism....and that people make choices regardless of whether or not free will exists.
Lets say you and I saw an airplane, neither of us had any prior knowledge as to how they flew...and I came up with an argument for what I believed to be the "how" - concluding that if my "how" didn't exist..then airplanes couldn't fly. If my how was pixie dust...would all of the planes fall out of the sky as soon as we both realized that there was no such thing? I doubt it. Just as I doubt that our ability to make choices depends upon your being right about the existence of free will.
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RE: If free will was not real
August 18, 2016 at 1:55 am
(August 18, 2016 at 1:52 am)Rhythm Wrote: Can't really add anything to Hams comments about your "argument". I can, however, remind you that claiming that free will doesn't exist, being skeptical of free will, or commenting on the validity of the arguments for free will... has nothing to do with atheists or atheism....and people make choices regardless of whether or not free will exists.
Well, then, this entire thread is useless according to you.
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