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Evil is evidence for God

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Evil is evidence for God
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RE: Evil is evidence for God
August 18, 2010 at 2:54 am
Quote:1. If God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist.
2.Evil Exists.
3.Therefore, objective moral values exist (some things are truly evil).
4.Therefore, God exists.

You got it around the wrong way...

1. If objective moral laws exist, some sought of higher being gave us moral values.
2. Absolute evil exists in this world
3. Therefore, objective moral values do exist
4. Therefore a higher being does exist

I have an issue with premise 2. Is there such thing as absolute evil? I attempted to argue that in another thread and it went no where...
Its ok to have doubt, just dont let that doubt become the answers.

You dont hate God, you hate the church game.

"God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed." Saint Augustine

Your mind works very simply: you are either trying to find out what are God's laws in order to follow them; or you are trying to outsmart Him. -Martin H. Fischer
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#12
RE: Evil is evidence for God
August 18, 2010 at 7:38 am
(August 18, 2010 at 2:54 am)solja247 Wrote: 2. Absolute evil exists in this world

Proof please.
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RE: Evil is evidence for God
August 18, 2010 at 8:38 am
(August 17, 2010 at 10:52 pm)rybak303 Wrote: Hi, yes I do read all these replies. I have been searching as to which side on the debate between atheists and theists (mostly Christian) have the best case. So after reading books from both atheists and theists I wrote down questions that both sides brought up and have been sending them to a couple of Christian and Atheist forums. I am just curious to see how good the answers are that each side comes up with.

Rybak, the thing is, we are a discussion forum. It's important that you participate in the discussions you start, otherwise you look like a spammer to us and we may have to take action against you. Whether you believe or not, start participating. You might find that actually engaging in a conversation with the members to really analyze these topics may help you come to a decision or a better understanding.
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RE: Evil is evidence for God
August 18, 2010 at 10:53 am
(August 17, 2010 at 10:52 pm)rybak303 Wrote: Hi, yes I do read all these replies. I have been searching as to which side on the debate between atheists and theists (mostly Christian) have the best case. So after reading books from both atheists and theists I wrote down questions that both sides brought up and have been sending them to a couple of Christian and Atheist forums. I am just curious to see how good the answers are that each side comes up with.

It would be good to you if you participated more, you would learn alot more, and pehaps us too Smile

What you have been done is like "dropping the bomb" and watch us "explode", yet I do applaud your initiative in creating threads, but you should participate more, after all, your opinion counts too, you can't remain undecided in everything.
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