Question's for God.

[Cyberman]

It means that he's a special snowflake, and that despite living in his Mom's basement and making crayon drawings all day, he's wiser, and generally better, than all of us.

I am specialized in both career and ideology. Most people can't and won't dare try what I do for a living and I do it very well. I dance through trees with chainsaw and rope. I practice life and death physics for hours almost everyday.

And what is a tree with only one branch? Sad. So I give thanks and appreciate all other specialized branches above, below and way beyond me. I get to listen to the birds that perch on you!

I am wiser in some things and not in others, but compared to what in whom? Better or worse is not a consideration. I don't operate by duality. I don't judge myself or other people as good or bad. I see people as trees walking.

Dude, when I said "make me one with everything", I meant my burger.

[Angrboda]

This is your response to everything.  You're right because atheists are wrong.  That's nothing but an argument from ignorance, but it's the only argument you've got.
You return to it time and again.
I'm not the one replying to a request for evidence, dumbass.  I have no burden of proof here.  You do.  So your claim that I assume this is just pure misdirection, which appears to be the only intuitive science you're familiar with.  I don't 'assume' that these experiences don't reflect reality, I've simply been given no reason from you to believe that they do.   So you can take your tu quoque and shove it up your ass.  It's invalid, like so much of the rest of your shit.

Garbage yog.
If you............don't 'assume' that these experiences don't reflect reality.........then why you go to such an extent as to stubbornly search so many studies about NDEs that criticize them?
You do that because you refuse to acknowledge the authenticity of NDEs experiences because these would destroy your idea that there is no God.

If you're done psychoanalyzing me, you're full of it as usual.  I don't go to any great extent researching alternate explanations to NDEs.  What I do is note that you haven't substantiated your belief that they represent experience of a reality.  You can't seem to get it through your head that it's not my job to disprove NDEs, it's your job to prove them.  So far all you've done is assert that they have real content.  Assertions alone don't mean squat.  So of course you look to criticize me for your failure.  Tough shit.  You can't produce anything but a handful of veridical NDEs to support that the experiences are real.  When asked to produce evidence for your assertions, you produce a bunch of untrue generalizations about NDEs, and cherry pick which experiences you believe.  You're motivated by something other than the truth.  Otherwise why would you be distorting the evidence provided by people who study NDEs professionally.  If the evidence is there, why do you need to distort it?

You simply can't handle the truth that NDEs are evidence only that people have a memory of an experience, and that memory isn't necessarily based in reality, much as you'd like to believe "according to Yoga."

More garbage yog.

How could they not be based on reality when the evidence was there?
Here I refer to the description given by the person who had the NDE in which he-she saw what was happening while his-her dead body was lying in the casualty-emergency room with doctors and nurses trying to bring it back to life.
How could a dead body-brain witness what doctors-nurse were doing?

More garbage indeed, only it's you that's spewing the garbage.  You weren't asked for evidence that people can witness themselves being operated on from out of body.  You were asked to give evidence that karma and reincarnation are real.  A few unexplained OOBEs and your distortion and cherry picking of the accounts does not constitute evidence that karma and reincarnation are real anymore than they demonstrate a literal heaven and hell, which you don't believe in.  At no time during this whole discussion did you bring up veridical NDEs which are the best evidence that there is awareness during these near death experiences.  But they are only evidence of awareness during an NDE, not that all details of an NDE reflect reality.  In particular, they offer no evidence that karma and reincarnation are real.

People who take LSD have psychedelic experiences; their experiences aren't evidence of an altered reality.  You haven't given any reason for believing these experiences are 'real' other than "because you want to believe."  And even there you've been dishonest by believing certain NDE experiences "on the basis of Yoga," while discounting other equally prominent themes.  You're a wishful thinking, two-faced, folklore believing, red herring filled, cherry picking asshole.  And your so called "evidence" is nothing of the sort.
According to yoga.  *snort*

Fool.  

You don't even know what happen under the influence of drugs and yet you keep on speculating with no end in sight.
You keep on throwing judgment after judgment and then you say that you don't have to have the burden of proof.
You got to be nut yog.
Drugs act on the higher glands especially on the pineal gland which is the border between the physical reality and the spiritual reality.
By entering by force in the spiritual reality is possible to enjoy a form of distorted spirituality in which you can feel quite good but that lead to addiction and damage body-brain.  

This is another of your red herrings.  Instead of demonstrating the reality of these 'spiritual' experiences, you babble on with bare assertions about how drugs work.  You don't know.  You're just repeating religiously based dogma about the effect of drugs.  It has absolutely squat to do with demonstrating that these experiences are a part of reality.  It's just guessing and more bare assertions.  The point is you haven't demonstrated the reality of your spiritual dimensions, no matter what you blabber about the pineal gland.  

It is very bizarre how so many atheists don't get it.  
Those who smoke, drink or use some drugs search the God that they deny.
God is peace of mind.
God is happiness.
The above substances give just that.
Drugs give the God that they deny it exist.
How stupid is that?  

Blah, blah, blah.  More bare assertions and nary a bit of evidence.

[Cyberman]

Garbage yog.
If you............don't 'assume' that these experiences don't reflect reality.........then why you go to such an extent as to stubbornly search so many studies about NDEs that criticize them?
You do that because you refuse to acknowledge the authenticity of NDEs experiences because these would destroy your idea that there is no God.

Yeah, "yog", how dare you search for critical analysis of unsupported assertions, instead of just swallowing them wholecloth?

[Little Rik]

Garbage yog.
If you............don't 'assume' that these experiences don't reflect reality.........then why you go to such an extent as to stubbornly search so many studies about NDEs that criticize them?
You do that because you refuse to acknowledge the authenticity of NDEs experiences because these would destroy your idea that there is no God.

Yeah, "yog", how dare you search for critical analysis of unsupported assertions, instead of just swallowing them wholecloth?

Stim.  

Yog has been constantly searching for ......... critical analysis of unsupported assertion.......for the last few years since NDEs experiences shake the core of atheism stubbornness with no success.
Now she changed tactic in the hope to have the last word considering that all those critics are just guessing.
Her new tactic is that I suppose to prove that NDEs are real.
I already did that but no the evidence is not enough.
She is asking for the evidence of the evidence of the evidence.

Isn't she smart?  

[Little Rik]

Garbage yog.
If you............don't 'assume' that these experiences don't reflect reality.........then why you go to such an extent as to stubbornly search so many studies about NDEs that criticize them?
You do that because you refuse to acknowledge the authenticity of NDEs experiences because these would destroy your idea that there is no God.

If you're done psychoanalyzing me, you're full of it as usual.  I don't go to any great extent researching alternate explanations to NDEs.  What I do is note that you haven't substantiated your belief that they represent experience of a reality.  You can't seem to get it through your head that it's not my job to disprove NDEs, it's your job to prove them.  So far all you've done is assert that they have real content.  Assertions alone don't mean squat.  So of course you look to criticize me for your failure.  Tough shit.  You can't produce anything but a handful of veridical NDEs to support that the experiences are real.  When asked to produce evidence for your assertions, you produce a bunch of untrue generalizations about NDEs, and cherry pick which experiences you believe.  You're motivated by something other than the truth.  Otherwise why would you be distorting the evidence provided by people who study NDEs professionally.  If the evidence is there, why do you need to distort it?

Evidence, evidence and more evidence.
When people during their NDE see doctors and nurses from above working on their dead bodies and later on when their body is revived describe what the doctors and nurses did with all particulars that is super evidence.
You don't like this evidence?
Too bad.
That is your problem not mine.  

More garbage yog.

How could they not be based on reality when the evidence was there?
Here I refer to the description given by the person who had the NDE in which he-she saw what was happening while his-her dead body was lying in the casualty-emergency room with doctors and nurses trying to bring it back to life.
How could a dead body-brain witness what doctors-nurse were doing?

More garbage indeed, only it's you that's spewing the garbage.  You weren't asked for evidence that people can witness themselves being operated on from out of body.  You were asked to give evidence that karma and reincarnation are real.  A few unexplained OOBEs and your distortion and cherry picking of the accounts does not constitute evidence that karma and reincarnation are real anymore than they demonstrate a literal heaven and hell, which you don't believe in.  At no time during this whole discussion did you bring up veridical NDEs which are the best evidence that there is awareness during these near death experiences.  But they are only evidence of awareness during an NDE, not that all details of an NDE reflect reality.  In particular, they offer no evidence that karma and reincarnation are real.

Yes, the evidence is there.
Once the evidence for the NDEs is there and it is there as explained above then all other pieces of the puzzle are there.
Most of these people who had the NDE experience are asked to go back into their bodies for the simple reason that they haven't learned the lesson yet.
That means that the karma law demand that these people must yet to deal with actions and reactions.
And again it is obvious that if the karma exist also the reincarnation exist.
If you only would use your brain you would have already understood how the system works but instead you refuse to let it go because that would destroy your atheism that you try to cling on at all cost.

Fool.  

You don't even know what happen under the influence of drugs and yet you keep on speculating with no end in sight.
You keep on throwing judgment after judgment and then you say that you don't have to have the burden of proof.
You got to be nut yog.
Drugs act on the higher glands especially on the pineal gland which is the border between the physical reality and the spiritual reality.
By entering by force in the spiritual reality is possible to enjoy a form of distorted spirituality in which you can feel quite good but that lead to addiction and damage body-brain.  

This is another of your red herrings.  Instead of demonstrating the reality of these 'spiritual' experiences, you babble on with bare assertions about how drugs work.  You don't know.  You're just repeating religiously based dogma about the effect of drugs.  It has absolutely squat to do with demonstrating that these experiences are a part of reality.  It's just guessing and more bare assertions.  The point is you haven't demonstrated the reality of your spiritual dimensions, no matter what you blabber about the pineal gland.

Double fool.      

Religious based dogmas?
Since when religions connect drugs with the pineal gland?
Do some researches yog and see how drugs works on the pineal gland.
I can't give you the pacifier every time you start blubbering.  

It is very bizarre how so many atheists don't get it.  
Those who smoke, drink or use some drugs search the God that they deny.
God is peace of mind.
God is happiness.
The above substances give just that.
Drugs give the God that they deny it exist.
How stupid is that?  

Blah, blah, blah.  More bare assertions and nary a bit of evidence.

Not at all yog.

I do not expect that everybody come to the conclusion that God is real as per magic.
Atheists and anyone who doesn't care about God sooner or later will have to wake up to this reality.
Every single action that people do is done in order to evolve or get out the physical-mental sewer.
That means getting closer and closer to God whether we realize it or not.
The search for peace of mind and total bliss lead only in one place and that is where God is.
You never thought about that yog, did you?  

[Angrboda]

When people during their NDE see doctors and nurses from above working on their dead bodies and later on when their body is revived describe what the doctors and nurses did with all particulars that is super evidence.

I took it upon myself to do a little research on Pam Reynolds' case.

1.  She was intubated for a considerable time after regaining consciousness, and did not begin to relate her experience for some time after that.

2.  Her surgical team discussed/described the procedure to her before the surgery.

3.  When she regained consciousness (remember - still intubated and so could not speak), her surgeon reviewed the surgery with her again.

4.  More than one anesthesiologist has reviewed the case and concluded that her experience was something called 'anesthesia awareness', which, while not exactly commonplace, isn't frightfully rare, either.

While I don't doubt Ms. Reynolds' sincerity (meaning I don't think she was deliberately lying), I don't really see the need for a non-prosaic explanation of what happened to her.

Boru

No, that is weak evidence.

How could a dead body-brain witness what doctors-nurse were doing?

That's a legitimate question.  Unfortunately for you it's already been answered by the question of when the NDEs occurred.  You keep blurring one case into another as if they all had the features of the specific ones.  Your picture of NDEs and thus your conclusion end up being non-representative.

Yes, the evidence is there.
Once the evidence for the NDEs is there and it is there as explained above then all other pieces of the puzzle are there.
Most of these people who had the NDE experience are asked to go back into their bodies for the simple reason that they haven't learned the lesson yet.
That means that the karma law demand that these people must yet to deal with actions and reactions.
And again it is obvious that if the karma exist also the reincarnation exist.
If you only would use your brain you would have already understood how the system works but instead you refuse to let it go because that would destroy your atheism that you try to cling on at all cost.

The bolded part is an inference for which you have no direct evidence.  Why doesn't it mean that they are not ready to be judged for heaven and hell?  Only your religious bullshit says that it means karma.  It could mean nothing at all.  And again in the blue, you pile inference upon inference.  Religious dogma piled on religious dogma.  That's not evidence, that's just assertions.  So why doesn't this 'mean' that there is a literal heaven and hell instead?

Fool.  

You don't even know what happen under the influence of drugs and yet you keep on speculating with no end in sight.
You keep on throwing judgment after judgment and then you say that you don't have to have the burden of proof.
You got to be nut yog.
Drugs act on the higher glands especially on the pineal gland which is the border between the physical reality and the spiritual reality.
By entering by force in the spiritual reality is possible to enjoy a form of distorted spirituality in which you can feel quite good but that lead to addiction and damage body-brain.  

This is another of your red herrings.  Instead of demonstrating the reality of these 'spiritual' experiences, you babble on with bare assertions about how drugs work.  You don't know.  You're just repeating religiously based dogma about the effect of drugs.  It has absolutely squat to do with demonstrating that these experiences are a part of reality.  It's just guessing and more bare assertions.  The point is you haven't demonstrated the reality of your spiritual dimensions, no matter what you blabber about the pineal gland.

Double fool.      

Religious based dogmas?
Since when religions connect drugs with the pineal gland?
Do some researches yog and see how drugs works on the pineal gland.
I can't give you the pacifier every time you start blubbering.  

Cute.  I tell you you're off-topic, so you respond by going more off-topic.  Speaking of blubbering.  Nice pre-emptive strike telling me you're not going to give any evidence of your assertions about the pineal gland.  You might as well have just said, "I can't, so I give up."

It is very bizarre how so many atheists don't get it.  
Those who smoke, drink or use some drugs search the God that they deny.
God is peace of mind.
God is happiness.
The above substances give just that.
Drugs give the God that they deny it exist.
How stupid is that?  

Blah, blah, blah.  More bare assertions and nary a bit of evidence.

Not at all yog.

I do not expect that everybody come to the conclusion that God is real as per magic.
Atheists and anyone who doesn't care about God sooner or later will have to wake up to this reality.
Every single action that people do is done in order to evolve or get out the physical-mental sewer.
That means getting closer and closer to God whether we realize it or not.
The search for peace of mind and total bliss lead only in one place and that is where God is.
You never thought about that yog, did you?  

The search for peace of mind and total bliss is a fool's errand.  They don't exist.  See?  I can make bare assertions too.  Now don't make me give you the pacifier and explain why.

[Angrboda]

Yeah, "yog", how dare you search for critical analysis of unsupported assertions, instead of just swallowing them wholecloth?

Stim.  

Yog has been constantly searching for ......... critical analysis of unsupported assertion.......for the last few years since NDEs experiences shake the core of atheism stubbornness with no success.
Now she changed tactic in the hope to have the last word considering that all those critics are just guessing.
Her new tactic is that I suppose to prove that NDEs are real.
I already did that but no the evidence is not enough.
She is asking for the evidence of the evidence of the evidence.

Isn't she smart?  

You're a lying sack of shit. I ask you for evidence and you give me religiously based assertions. It must be karma. Why? It must mean reincarnation. Why? You don't have an answer. That isn't asking for evidence of the evidence. You haven't provided a reason for making the inferences that you make. Until you do, you've got nothing but bare assertions as to what these things 'mean'. Bare assertions aren't evidence, but that's all you've provided for karma and reincarnation. That some parts of a small handful of NDEs correspond to something real doesn't mean that all parts of all NDEs are real. What kind of an idiot are you for thinking that? The fact is, you don't. You cherry pick which aspects of NDEs to believe based on your religious presumptions. Well if you can do it, so can I.

NDEs are proof of a literal hell and a literal heaven. Therefore karma and reincarnation are false. Got a problem with that?

[Angrboda]

But how does the pineal gland actually affect the process of getting “high”?

This is is not entirely clear, and in any case, we know that multiple different regions of the brain are involved in the subjective experience of being high. The pineal gland is just one tiny link in an extremely long and complicated chain, which stretches between some of the most basic and fundamental parts of the brain (and the pineal gland can definitely be classed as basic and fundamental, as almost every living vertebrate possesses one) and some of the most advanced, such as the neocortex, which only exists in mammals.

However, the pineal gland has repeatedly been associated with the biosynthesis of important natural compounds related to sleeping, dreaming, and dream imagery. The presence of these compounds in the pineal gland is one of the most important reasons that so many view it as the “seat of the soul”, or a key to “spiritual enlightenment”. Without a doubt, the most famous of these compounds is N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, more commonly known as DMT.

It’s actually somewhat controversial as to whether or not the pineal gland is responsible for synthesizing DMT in humans, but there is significant evidence to suggest that it is the case. DMT and related compounds tryptamine and bufotenin have been found in human urine, and DMT itself has been shown to be synthesized in the pineal gland of the rat brain. A closely related compound, 5-MeO-DMT has been found to be synthesized in the human pineal gland, but thus far, it has not been proven that DMT itself is too.

In any case, it certainly appears that the pineal gland is very much involved in the production and/or processing of substances that are well-known to be involved in helping to create “dream states” when we are asleep. Thus, there are many theories that the subjective experience of getting “high” from cannabis, hallucinogens and other psychoactive drugs also involves this subjective creation of a “dream-like” or otherwise altered reality.

https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/what-happ...-cannabis/ (emphasis mine)

What is different about the stories told that couldn't equally as likely have come from a dream?

When you have your dreams your brain is alive and well but when you have an NDE experience your brain is dead.
Are you that stupid that you can't see the difference?

So I'm the fool, eh? It turns out your "drug-pineal gland-NDE" hypothesis has more to do with dream states than you admit. Capish?

The pineal gland is involved in the regulation of melatonin and sleep cycles. To sleep, perchance to dream....

[Edwardo Piet]

Here's a question for a god.

If you are merely imaginary (and you are merely imaginary) can you answer as a figment of my imagination>>>

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"Yes". Ya but just my imagination becuase godisnon-motherfucking-existent. Nonexistent God is nonexistent. Tautology is tautological. I iz drunk. Drunkenness is drunken.

Here's another. If you're not imaginary then... oh there is no you.

[Cyberman]

Her new tactic is that I suppose to prove that NDEs are real.

Yes; you do have to support your claim with actual evidence, proportionate to the claim.

I already did that but no the evidence is not enough.

No you didn't and yes what you cite as evidence isn't.

She is asking for the evidence of the evidence of the evidence.

No, she is asking for evidence that actually evidences your assertions.

Isn't she smart?  

Yes. Yes she is.