Question's for God.

[Little Rik]

Her new tactic is that I suppose to prove that NDEs are real.

Yes; you do have to support your claim with actual evidence, proportionate to the claim.

I already did that but no the evidence is not enough.

No you didn't and yes what you cite as evidence isn't.

She is asking for the evidence of the evidence of the evidence.

No, she is asking for evidence that actually evidences your assertions.

Isn't she smart?  

Yes. Yes she is.

Stim, as the guru of the forum I am sure you have all answers.  

Now let me put this question to you.  
Many people who had these NDEs experiences from above see what happen to their dead bodies lying in the casualty-emergency room with doctors-nurses and other people working trying to bring the dead body back to life.
The NDE experiencer see all it happen not only that he-she also see inside other rooms in the hospital
and is able to describe everything once his-her body is brought back to life.
All people who try to revive him-her are shocked to learn that the NDE experiencer saw and heard what
they were doing while they try to revive him-her.

What does this means considering that his brain-body was dead?
Isn't clear enough that the consciousness take over once the body-brain is dead?
If not how these experiences happened?

Please Stim try to help your friend yog with a good explanation so she can smile again.  

[Little Rik]

Here's a question for a god.

If you are merely imaginary (and you are merely imaginary) can you answer as a figment of my imagination>>>

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"Yes". Ya but just my imagination becuase godisnon-motherfucking-existent. Nonexistent God is nonexistent. Tautology is tautological. I iz drunk. Drunkenness is drunken.

Here's another. If you're not imaginary then... oh there is no you.

Yeah, sure.
Was that stuff expensive?

You know what I mean, yeah.  

[Little Rik]

When people during their NDE see doctors and nurses from above working on their dead bodies and later on when their body is revived describe what the doctors and nurses did with all particulars that is super evidence.

No, that is weak evidence.

Oh, I see.
Now we have weak and strong evidence.
You are getting pretty good in inventing new bullshit  forms of expressions.
I should consider a Nobel prize for your intuition.  

How could a dead body-brain witness what doctors-nurse were doing?

That's a legitimate question.  Unfortunately for you it's already been answered by the question of when the NDEs occurred.  You keep blurring one case into another as if they all had the features of the specific ones.  Your picture of NDEs and thus your conclusion end up being non-representative.

Answering means nothing if the answer is not the correct answer.
And your answer is not the right one.
You never thought about it yog, did you?  

Yes, the evidence is there.
Once the evidence for the NDEs is there and it is there as explained above then all other pieces of the puzzle are there.
Most of these people who had the NDE experience are asked to go back into their bodies for the simple reason that they haven't learned the lesson yet.
That means that the karma law demand that these people must yet to deal with actions and reactions.
And again it is obvious that if the karma exist also the reincarnation exist.
If you only would use your brain you would have already understood how the system works but instead you refuse to let it go because that would destroy your atheism that you try to cling on at all cost.

The bolded part is an inference for which you have no direct evidence.  Why doesn't it mean that they are not ready to be judged for heaven and hell?  Only your religious bullshit says that it means karma.  It could mean nothing at all.  And again in the blue, you pile inference upon inference.  Religious dogma piled on religious dogma.  That's not evidence, that's just assertions.  So why doesn't this 'mean' that there is a literal heaven and hell instead?

Physical hell was invented by religious people long time ago probably in the middle ages.
Nothing to do with God.
Paradise, samadhi, nirvana on the other hands have been witnessed by most if not all those who had
an NDE experience.
If those who had an NDE would have been ready for the heaven then they would have been allow to stay there.
Some NDE experiencers in fact they had the choice to stay in heaven but apparently they were worried for the kids or family left behind.

Fool.  

You don't even know what happen under the influence of drugs and yet you keep on speculating with no end in sight.
You keep on throwing judgment after judgment and then you say that you don't have to have the burden of proof.
You got to be nut yog.
Drugs act on the higher glands especially on the pineal gland which is the border between the physical reality and the spiritual reality.
By entering by force in the spiritual reality is possible to enjoy a form of distorted spirituality in which you can feel quite good but that lead to addiction and damage body-brain.  

This is another of your red herrings.  Instead of demonstrating the reality of these 'spiritual' experiences, you babble on with bare assertions about how drugs work.  You don't know.  You're just repeating religiously based dogma about the effect of drugs.  It has absolutely squat to do with demonstrating that these experiences are a part of reality.  It's just guessing and more bare assertions.  The point is you haven't demonstrated the reality of your spiritual dimensions, no matter what you blabber about the pineal gland.

Double fool.  

Religious based dogmas?
Since when religions connect drugs with the pineal gland?
Do some researches yog and see how drugs works on the pineal gland.
I can't give you the pacifier every time you start blubbering.  

Cute.  I tell you you're off-topic, so you respond by going more off-topic.  Speaking of blubbering.  Nice pre-emptive strike telling me you're not going to give any evidence of your assertions about the pineal gland.  You might as well have just said, "I can't, so I give up."

The pineal gland is the controller of all other glands.
It is based on the very top of the spinal cord for a reason like a general that is higher than all the rest.
So far science know very very little of the role of this gland.
How could she considering that physical science study physical things while the pineal gland is the door to enter the spiritual world?

It is very bizarre how so many atheists don't get it.  
Those who smoke, drink or use some drugs search the God that they deny.
God is peace of mind.
God is happiness.
The above substances give just that.
Drugs give the God that they deny it exist.
How stupid is that?  

Blah, blah, blah.  More bare assertions and nary a bit of evidence.

Not at all yog.

I do not expect that everybody come to the conclusion that God is real as per magic.
Atheists and anyone who doesn't care about God sooner or later will have to wake up to this reality.
Every single action that people do is done in order to evolve or get out the physical-mental sewer.
That means getting closer and closer to God whether we realize it or not.
The search for peace of mind and total bliss lead only in one place and that is where God is.
You never thought about that yog, did you?  

The search for peace of mind and total bliss is a fool's errand.  They don't exist.  See?  I can make bare assertions too.  Now don't make me give you the pacifier and explain why.

Wrong again yog.  

In this very moment that you try to answer my question you do this in order to find peace of mind.
Once you may find the way to prove me wrong (it never happen anyway  ) you feel satisfied.
It happen all the time to all of us.
You may find peace of mind after you find solutions to your problems as well.
This peace of mind within the physical world is only temporary of course.
The permanent peace of mind will only come once you will have solved all your problems.
However considering that your problems are many I guess it will takes ages and ages.  

[Little Rik]

Stim.  

Yog has been constantly searching for ......... critical analysis of unsupported assertion.......for the last few years since NDEs experiences shake the core of atheism stubbornness with no success.
Now she changed tactic in the hope to have the last word considering that all those critics are just guessing.
Her new tactic is that I suppose to prove that NDEs are real.
I already did that but no the evidence is not enough.
She is asking for the evidence of the evidence of the evidence.

Isn't she smart?  

You're a lying sack of shit.  I ask you for evidence and you give me religiously based assertions.  It must be karma.  Why?  It must mean reincarnation.  Why?  You don't have an answer.  That isn't asking for evidence of the evidence.  You haven't provided a reason for making the inferences that you make.  Until you do, you've got nothing but bare assertions as to what these things 'mean'.  Bare assertions aren't evidence, but that's all you've provided for karma and reincarnation.  That some parts of a small handful of NDEs correspond to something real doesn't mean that all parts of all NDEs are real.  What kind of an idiot are you for thinking that?  The fact is, you don't.  You cherry pick which aspects of NDEs to believe based on your religious presumptions.  Well if you can do it, so can I.  

NDEs are proof of a literal hell and a literal heaven.  Therefore karma and reincarnation are false.  Got a problem with that?

The problem is not with me yog.
The problem is with you that don't get it.
Why would God send the NDEs experiences back to this physical world if there wouldn't be the karma law to sort out all problems?
With only paradise and hell people wouldn't have to come back but they do that is why there is karma.
You never thought about it yog, did you?  

[Little Rik]

But how does the pineal gland actually affect the process of getting “high”?

This is is not entirely clear, and in any case, we know that multiple different regions of the brain are involved in the subjective experience of being high. The pineal gland is just one tiny link in an extremely long and complicated chain, which stretches between some of the most basic and fundamental parts of the brain (and the pineal gland can definitely be classed as basic and fundamental, as almost every living vertebrate possesses one) and some of the most advanced, such as the neocortex, which only exists in mammals.

However, the pineal gland has repeatedly been associated with the biosynthesis of important natural compounds related to sleeping, dreaming, and dream imagery. The presence of these compounds in the pineal gland is one of the most important reasons that so many view it as the “seat of the soul”, or a key to “spiritual enlightenment”. Without a doubt, the most famous of these compounds is N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, more commonly known as DMT.

It’s actually somewhat controversial as to whether or not the pineal gland is responsible for synthesizing DMT in humans, but there is significant evidence to suggest that it is the case. DMT and related compounds tryptamine and bufotenin have been found in human urine, and DMT itself has been shown to be synthesized in the pineal gland of the rat brain. A closely related compound, 5-MeO-DMT has been found to be synthesized in the human pineal gland, but thus far, it has not been proven that DMT itself is too.

In any case, it certainly appears that the pineal gland is very much involved in the production and/or processing of substances that are well-known to be involved in helping to create “dream states” when we are asleep. Thus, there are many theories that the subjective experience of getting “high” from cannabis, hallucinogens and other psychoactive drugs also involves this subjective creation of a “dream-like” or otherwise altered reality.

https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/what-happ...-cannabis/ (emphasis mine)

When you have your dreams your brain is alive and well but when you have an NDE experience your brain is dead.
Are you that stupid that you can't see the difference?  

So I'm the fool, eh?  It turns out your "drug-pineal gland-NDE" hypothesis has more to do with dream states than you admit.  Capish?

The pineal gland is involved in the regulation of melatonin and sleep cycles.   To sleep, perchance to dream....

A guess is no evidence yog.
So far science as I already explained you    has only found out the physical aspect of the role of the pineal gland.
All the rest is still hidden to non spiritual practitioners.
Capish?  

[Expired]

So I'm the fool, eh?  It turns out your "drug-pineal gland-NDE" hypothesis has more to do with dream states than you admit.  Capish?

The pineal gland is involved in the regulation of melatonin and sleep cycles.   To sleep, perchance to dream....

A guess is no evidence yog.
So far science as I already explained you    has only found out the physical aspect of the role of the pineal gland.
All the rest is still hidden to non spiritual practitioners.
Capish?  

I believe in moogleragesh. I have a personal relationship with him. Teachings from my religion tell me that everyone on earth that is practicing one religion or another is wrong, and also people like you who believe in conciseness above a functioning brain need converting to my way of thinking. Pm me for details. Looking forward to hearing from you.

[Angrboda]

You're a lying sack of shit.  I ask you for evidence and you give me religiously based assertions.  It must be karma.  Why?  It must mean reincarnation.  Why?  You don't have an answer.  That isn't asking for evidence of the evidence.  You haven't provided a reason for making the inferences that you make.  Until you do, you've got nothing but bare assertions as to what these things 'mean'.  Bare assertions aren't evidence, but that's all you've provided for karma and reincarnation.  That some parts of a small handful of NDEs correspond to something real doesn't mean that all parts of all NDEs are real.  What kind of an idiot are you for thinking that?  The fact is, you don't.  You cherry pick which aspects of NDEs to believe based on your religious presumptions.  Well if you can do it, so can I.  

NDEs are proof of a literal hell and a literal heaven.  Therefore karma and reincarnation are false.  Got a problem with that?

The problem is not with me yog.
The problem is with you that don't get it.
Why would God send the NDEs experiences back to this physical world if there wouldn't be the karma law to sort out all problems?
With only paradise and hell people wouldn't have to come back but they do that is why there is karma.

According to you, they are going to be reincarnated again anyway. So what's the purpose of sending them back? If you send them back, they get to work out their karma. If you don't send them back, they get reincarnated and get to work out their karma. You've given a reason that simply doesn't make sense. Why do they need to be sent back if they're going to be reincarnated?

You never thought about it yog, did you?  

I thought about it plenty. Enough to know that your answer was a bunch of twatwaffle.

[Little Rik]

The problem is not with me yog.
The problem is with you that don't get it.
Why would God send the NDEs experiences back to this physical world if there wouldn't be the karma law to sort out all problems?
With only paradise and hell people wouldn't have to come back but they do that is why there is karma.

According to you, they are going to be reincarnated again anyway.  So what's the purpose of sending them back?  If you send them back, they get to work out their karma.  If you don't send them back, they get reincarnated and get to work out their karma.  You've given a reason that simply doesn't make sense.  Why do they need to be sent back if they're going to be reincarnated?

You never thought about it yog, did you?  

I thought about it plenty.  Enough to know that your answer was a bunch of twatwaffle.

Everyone is different because their karma is different.
For some one more life is enough to sort out their problems while for other is not so they will have to be reincarnated again and maybe again and again in order to sort out their many problems.
For other people that don't have any bad karma may even be reincarnated again and again.
Take an atheist that doesn't have any bad karma but refuse to believe in afterlife.
This person will not get to heaven until he-she start believing that there is an afterlife.
Why God would let these people go to heaven if they are not interested.
If they are happy to stay in a physical world for ever let them be in this physical world.
It is their choice and their free will.  

[Little Rik]

A guess is no evidence yog.
So far science as I already explained you    has only found out the physical aspect of the role of the pineal gland.
All the rest is still hidden to non spiritual practitioners.
Capish?  

I believe in moogleragesh. I have a personal relationship with him. Teachings from my religion tell me that everyone on earth that is practicing one religion or another is wrong, and also people like you who believe in conciseness above a functioning brain need converting to my way of thinking. Pm me for details. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Mate.  

Your deep message left me all shaken.
Especially that about the ......conciseness.........
I think about your important message.
Please give me time to ponder your deep thought.  

[Little Rik]

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