Why are you Against Homosexuality (to theists)

[Simon Moon]

Suppose I will comment on this, guess I just can't stand prosperity.  

Agreed, this story in Deuteronomy is difficult.  I would state there is a similar story where the man and a betrothed or married woman do the deed and if it is consensual they are both put to death, if it is not consensual on the woman's part, the man is.  This situation would be between two adults and is a warning against adultery.  

As for the one Simon cited, it is left for the father to decide if the two are to be married or if the young man is to pay the 50 pcs of silver.

The OT placed the fathers in a position of authority over daughters until marriage.  There was a cultural value place upon virgins and a woman that was not considered a virgin could have difficulty in marrying or making her way in life.  It was considered a punishment of sorts to make the man marry her and not divorce her for all of his days.  

Personally, I would accept 50 pcs of silver, in today's dollars indexed for inflation, from someone that did such an unspeakable act on one of my daughters.  It should help with their imminent hospital bills and subsequent funeral.

All of that said I have never seen an instance where this actually took place.  Not saying that it didn't, just that I am unaware of any passages in the bible that document such an event.

Sorry but none of that is any help to make this law any more moral.

Not moral - death for adultery.

Not moral - having the father decide what the punishment is to be for the perpetrator of a crime against his daughter.

Not moral - paying the father off for the loss of marriage value of his daughter.

Not moral - forcing his daughter to marry the perpetrator of a crime against her.

Not moral - the father being the authority or his daughter's marriage.

Not moral - having any sort of value placed on a woman's virginity.

Not moral - 'punishing' the perpetrator by forcing him to marry his victim.


Cultural context should not make a difference to a god who would know this.

It does, however, make perfect sense to a bunch of tribal, superstitious, Bronze Age, barbarians making crap up.

[LadyForCamus]

'Cultural context' as an excuse or explanation is utterly meaningless, considering God was one telling the Israelites EXACTLY how to live "right" in his eyes.

[Crossless2.0]

It's instructive how quickly the same people who insist they have a direct pipeline to God's will lapse into relativism to salvage that very pipeline. Of course, any discussion of the OT becomes a moot point thanks to Paul and his grace/law distinction, which Christians have hidden behind ever since. The 'Old Testament': God's Eternal Word . . . except when it becomes inconvenient and therefore isn't.

[abaris]

You do realize that there is a situation in the bible where a man rapes his half-sister and her brother kills him (killed his own half brother) in retaliation?

But, as is always the case with bible stories, it follows the archaic morals of middle eastern society. There's really nothing laudable over this. It just fits the general picture. As Lady said, damaged property, not protecting the actual person.

[Athene]

The theists who really  rail against homosexuality, do so because the very thought of it makes them feel a strange tickle 'down there'.

And that makes them mad.

[ScienceAf]

I don't believe in god, you believe in him though.
I acknowledge the existence of his ideology. But he never showed himself.

I'm not obsessed with him. But in a day and age where people are spouting bullshit at me everyday about the magical sky daddy, I have to learn to defend myself...
Now don't I?

It's your burden to tell me what he's supposed to do.
It's my burden to disapprove him (with logic).

Theists believe that homosexuality is wrong in someway, isn't that true?

And please stop reading the bible, like I said it is a bullshit forgery, please read the ingel or Quran if you're gonna believe in this crap.

You are 100% wrong.
From beginning to the end.
You have no evidence of whatsoever that God hate gays.
Many religions hate gays but who said that religions represent God?

Would you like that somebody pretend to talk for you without your approval?
Religions do this all the time.

Get real boy and do it fast before is too late.  

That's it i confirmed.  He's a gay troll.

[robvalue]

As I said, it's from my interpretation of what is to be.  It's not what I would wish on anyone.  There is a difference I think.

So....

Your God is going to do things you wouldn't wish on anyone. But you still choose to worship it? Why?

Just gonna repeat this question as I think it's important.

[bennyboy]

That's it i confirmed.  He's a gay troll.

Says the "12 year-old" who claims to be bi.

[ScienceAf]

That's it i confirmed.  He's a gay troll.

Says the "12 year-old" who claims to be bi.

You don't believe I'm 12?
All ill tell you it's that I'm in eight grade
And there are  alot of bi and gay and lesbians 
It'll probably go away.

[drfuzzy]

Says the "12 year-old" who claims to be bi.

You don't believe I'm 12?
All ill tell you it's that I'm in eight grade
And there are  alot of bi and gay and lesbians 
It'll probably go away.

I knew that I was a lesbian in 8th grade.  It never went away.