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Why is life programmed to survive?
#21
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 28, 2016 at 10:53 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm)Whateverist Wrote: It is actually a naive question.  You'd like it I suppose because it imports the same assumption that you make .. that life is designed.  It isn't.
If there was no repeatable design, your mud and water would leak out everywhere.  You must be referring to "intelligent design" yes?

Life isn't "intelligently" designed.

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#22
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: There is no point to life. Life creates order, not chaos.

Well intelligent life creates chaos.
The surface of the sun is roiling "chaos", but have you ever seen it fade or brighten?

And the original meaning of the word "chaos" (Greek) is an infinite ocean of undifferentiated water-like substance. There is no arising and falling of forms because no form is possible where there is no empty space to define an outer membrane.

The point of life is obvious: To grow.

(August 28, 2016 at 10:54 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 10:53 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: If there was no repeatable design, your mud and water would leak out everywhere.  You must be referring to "intelligent design" yes?

Life isn't "intelligently" designed.
I didn't say it was. There is something deeper and more profound than "intelligent design" going on.
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#23
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 28, 2016 at 9:17 pm)Macoleco Wrote: I have been wondering, why is life designed and programmed to survive? 

It isn't.  Asking why something is what it isn't is unlikely to provide a satisfying answer. Those terms are both euphisms, in context, for far more complicated..but simultaneously banal realities.
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#24
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 28, 2016 at 10:53 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm)Whateverist Wrote: It is actually a naive question.  You'd like it I suppose because it imports the same assumption that you make .. that life is designed.  It isn't.
If there was no repeatable design, your mud and water would leak out everywhere.  You must be referring to "intelligent design" yes?

Intelligent design,yes, along with any teleological intention.  Evolution is 'pushed from behind' by the triumph of the most advantageously equipped as determined by the reproducing sweepstakes.  It isn't 'pulled along' by by the intent of any intelligent designer nor cosmos as a whole.
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#25
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
I don't think there is a reason why we are programed to survive. Programmed is probably the wrong word in the first place. I mean if life were not programed to survive then it wouldn't survive and therefore wouldn't be life anyway. Maybe there was some form of something similar to life that lacked the will to survive. Whatever that was, it's not around anymore nor would it last in this hostile world of ours. The will to survive is an inherent part of life.
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#26
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 28, 2016 at 11:02 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 10:53 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: If there was no repeatable design, your mud and water would leak out everywhere.  You must be referring to "intelligent design" yes?

Intelligent design,yes, along with any teleological intention.  Evolution is 'pushed from behind' by the triumph of the most advantageously equipped as determined by the reproducing sweepstakes.  It isn't 'pulled along' by by the intent of any intelligent designer nor cosmos as a whole.

Surely electromagnetism and gravity exert shaping force on living structure? Would you call that a push or a pull?

Is the manifestation of round waves in a round bucket full of water "pushed" or "pulled" by the shape of the bucket?

(August 28, 2016 at 11:04 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I don't think there is a reason why we are programed to survive. Programmed is probably the wrong word in the first place. I mean if life were not programed to survive then it wouldn't survive and therefore wouldn't be life anyway. Maybe there was some form of something similar to life that lacked the will to survive. Whatever that was, it's not around anymore nor would it last in this hostile world of ours. The will to survive is an inherent part of life.

I blame the pain receptors and the body need to maintain homeostasis. Without those, I think most people would be extras in Thriller.
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Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
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#27
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: There is no point to life. Life creates order, not chaos.

Life is order. And evolution is the increase of DNA order/complexity over time. It's a 5d process, centropic over time.

A completely biological reason why living thing "want" to survive is because most the things that will kill them, hurt....a lot. DNA wants the vessel to not self-destruct long enough to pass structure/function/order forwards through time as procreation.

Life also *creates* order. Beehives, beaver dams, automobiles, all examples of life creating order.

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#28
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 28, 2016 at 10:51 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: There is no point to life. Life creates order, not chaos.

Well intelligent life creates chaos.

... as well as order. None of that plays any role in "yin-yang" drive to living through balancing chaos or what-have-you.

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#29
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
(August 28, 2016 at 11:27 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(August 28, 2016 at 10:47 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Life is order.  And evolution is the increase of DNA order/complexity over time.  It's a 5d process, centropic over time.

A completely biological reason why living thing "want" to survive is because most the things that will kill them, hurt....a lot. DNA wants the vessel to not self-destruct long enough to pass structure/function/order forwards through time as procreation.

Life also *creates* order. Beehives, beaver dams, automobiles, all examples of life creating order.

Order to whom? I think you got me on beehives, but beaver dams are a hodgepodge pile of the bones and chewed off limbs of innocent trees. Automobiles here mean strip mines and polluting factories over there. What "order" do we add to the earth?

Our current form of consumer civilization is causing the 6th mass extinction of earths biodiversity. "We" are creating disorder with reckless abandon and almost zero foresight.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
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#30
RE: Why is life programmed to survive?
Strip mines and polluting factories are, themselves..some of the most meticulous expressions of order on the planet.  Order isn't always pretty, or green. You're not really talking about order, though...are you, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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