Victim Blaming?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Seeking to attach blame for a misdeed is an entirely natural human response to a misdeed.

I'm all for rational preparation, but attaching a pejorative label like "victim thinker" to someone simply because they want to attach blame for a crime is not only based on an unrealistic grasp of himan psychology, it's also pretty heartless, I think.

A person can both stay prepared, and seek to place blame. Speaking rationally, asserting otherwise is a false dichotomy.

[Arkilogue]

Life is neither fair nor nice. Most living things have to fight tooth and nail or fly away to remain living in the natural environment.

I'm saying trying to blame either party gets in the way of actually being able to prepare for and deal with the situation if it happens. It's completely beside the point of rational self protection....which starts with being able to remain conscious and in good control of all your facilities.

I completely agree, but that's only because I don't believe in free will, so there's no point in assigning blame to anyone for anything, ever, in my mind. This is not just about rape. Your approach is objective and concerned with dealing with the problem rather than lingering on who's at fault for doing what. I understand that, other people don't though. Either try to get better across to those who don't, or suffer the consequences of being misunderstood. I did for a long time. I advice against doing nothing about it.

Sometimes expressing a point you know will not go well is not the best idea. It's not about being right all the time. It's also about knowing your conversational partners.

Thank you. I'm still learning social graces as I've spent much of my life alone. Scoring very high on the Apsie test was also illuminating and a bit disconcerting...but not all that unexpected.

I'm here for the pruning I require and the only way that happens is to expose my crossing branches/bad fruit and watch you guys cleave right through them and toss them aside in the burn pile...so far you've exceeded all expectations and my self destruction is coming along nicely!

to you all! So fair warning, here come's my next public faux pas...


My apologizies for coming across as an insensitive dick. Like 81% of males in America I was genitally mutilated within a couple days of being born. I was strapped down spread eagle to a board and without anesthesia my foreskin was forcibly separated (ripped) from the head glans and crushed off by a screw clamp. This contained 90% of my touch sensitive nerves and 3/4 of the nerves in the total head, the rest being mostly pressure sensitive nerve endings. I am trying to make up for a sensitivity that was stolen from me and cannot be returned.

http://www.circumcision.org/response.htm

Circumcision is a surgical procedure that involves forcefully separating the foreskin from the glans and then cutting it off. It is typically accomplished with a special clamp device (see Fig. 2). Over a dozen studies confirm the extreme pain of circumcision. It has been described as “among the most painful [procedures] performed in neonatal medicine.” In one study, researchers concluded that the pain was “severe and persistent.” Increases in heart rate of 55 beats per minute have been recorded, about a 50 percent increase over the baseline. After circumcision, the level of blood cortisol increased by a factor of three to four times the level prior to circumcision. Investigators reported, “This level of pain would not be tolerated by older patients.”

Circumcision pain is described in this research study by Howard Stang and his colleagues from the Department of Pediatrics, Group Health Inc., and the University of Minnesota Institute of Child Development: “There is no doubt that circumcisions are painful for the baby. Indeed, circumcision has become a model for the analysis of pain and stress responses in the newborn.” They report that the infant will “cry vigorously, tremble, and in some cases become mildly cyanotic [having blueness or lividness of the skin, caused by a deficiency of oxygen] because of prolonged crying.”



You know what else comes along with being forcibly tied down while one of the most intimate and sensitive sexual parts of you is crushed off beside excruciating, mind numbing pain? Rage. Mind blinding, all consuming rage. It has no where to go and there is nothing you can do about it. What else can the subconscious blame but the failure of only thing it has ever known? The safety of the Mother and the goodness of Woman.


I'm not saying circumcision causes rape, nor black out drinking, nor even the cultural predilection of marriage being a property exchange of a female from the father to a buyer. I'm saying there are many contributory factors and the more we can eliminate, the better for everyone.

http://thehathorlegacy.com/rape-statistics/

– “Rape-free societies were characterized by sexual equality in which both genders shared power and were deemed to make important contributions, albeit in different ways, to the welfare of the society” (Rathus, Nevid, and Fichner-Rathus, 573).
– “The more egalitarian and integrated the society, the less rape” (Schwartz and Rutter, 69).

[account_inactive]

Sorry fell asleep. All I'm trying to say is, as a woman we are already for the most part smaller and weaker. Why do something to put your life in danger. No it's not your fault, but in this world it's simply safer to treat all men as at least semi-dangerous until proven otherwise.

Are you a feminist, by any chance?

[Losty]

1) Bella!!!

2) I don't know how it could even be possible to function in the real world while treating everyone as a potential threat. Seems ridiculous.

[BrokenQuill92]

Sorry fell asleep. All I'm trying to say is, as a woman we are already for the most part smaller and weaker. Why do something to put your life in danger. No it's not your fault, but in this world it's simply safer to treat all men as at least semi-dangerous until proven otherwise.

Are you a feminist, by any chance?

Yes but I'm blind so as I amended I treat everyone as semi-dangerous until proven otherwise

[account_inactive]

Are you a feminist, by any chance?

Yes but I'm blind so as I amended I treat everyone as semi-dangerous until proven otherwise

Well, that's sort of understandable if you're blind.

[account_inactive]

1) Bella!!!

2) I don't know how it could even be possible to function in the real world while treating everyone as a potential threat. Seems ridiculous.

Hey Losty!  

Missed you all too much.

[BrokenQuill92]

1) Bella!!!

2) I don't know how it could even be possible to function in the real world while treating everyone as a potential threat. Seems ridiculous.

Simple really, always stand an arms length away. Take notice of exits. And don't let anyone corner you. It's really not a conscious or obvious thing. It's more a coping mechanism than anything.

[Arkilogue]

Seeking to attach blame for a misdeed is an entirely natural human response to a misdeed.

I'm all for rational preparation, but attaching a pejorative label like "victim thinker" to someone simply because they want to attach blame for a crime is not only based on an unrealistic grasp of human psychology, it's also pretty heartless, I think.

A person can both stay prepared, and seek to place blame. Speaking rationally, asserting otherwise is a false dichotomy.

Certainly! And US courts agree and rightfully serve sentence to the guilty party of the rapist nearly no matter what the circumstance of the victim. Rape is rape and the volitional part (blame) is fully on the rapist which is mostly male because that's just how anatomy and evolutionary predisposition is.

I think the situation is worse than a "victim-hood, all men are rapists" mind set. It's becoming "women bear no self responsibility for their situation and their actions have no consequences."

[Arkilogue]

Sorry fell asleep. All I'm trying to say is, as a woman we are already for the most part smaller and weaker. Why do something to put your life in danger. No it's not your fault, but in this world it's simply safer to treat all men as at least semi-dangerous until proven otherwise.

Are you a feminist, by any chance?

I'm a man and I'm not a feminist...and I do the same.