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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 12:40 pm
(October 1, 2016 at 12:30 pm)abaris Wrote: (October 1, 2016 at 11:59 am)RobertE Wrote: Mind you, he cannot be compared to the likes of Chairman Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro or Pinochet.
Why? He hadn't the opportunity to fully blossom as of yet. All of the above helt positions of power. Wilders didn't as of yet. And all of the above didn't come into their full bestiality until they were at the levers of power.
That's not to say, Wilders would rise up to rival them. But I go with Orban or the PIS in Poland. That's bad enough. You don't have to be a man eating beast to be despicable.
You are taking him seriously? That is about the same as the Americans taking Trump seriously.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 12:44 pm
(October 1, 2016 at 12:40 pm)RobertE Wrote: You are taking him seriously? That is about the same as the Americans taking Trump seriously.
Guy is on a power trip, inciting others. Same as Trump. So, hell yes, I'm taking him seriously. If for no other reasons that for inciting the primitves to take violent action. And they do, as recent bombings in Dreseden show and all the other rightwing attacks during the last year.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 12:55 pm
(October 1, 2016 at 12:44 pm)abaris Wrote: (October 1, 2016 at 12:40 pm)RobertE Wrote: You are taking him seriously? That is about the same as the Americans taking Trump seriously.
Guy is on a power trip, inciting others. Same as Trump. So, hell yes, I'm taking him seriously. If for no other reasons that for inciting the primitves to take violent action. And they do, as recent bombings in Dreseden show and all the other rightwing attacks during the last year.
He has been on a power trip for donkeys now. As for the recent terrorists activities on European soil, this is down to right-wing groups as you rightly stated as well as right-wing Islamic groups. There is no difference.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 12:58 pm
Just as we atheists do, Wilders is doing likewise. He did state that he is NOT against muslims, but against the religious doctrine. It is like ourselves who don't have any dislike for Christians, just the religious doctrines they love to follow.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 12:58 pm
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(October 1, 2016 at 12:55 pm)RobertE Wrote: He has been on a power trip for donkeys now. As for the recent terrorists activities on European soil, this is down to right-wing groups as you rightly stated as well as right-wing Islamic groups. There is no difference.
But someone always provides the motif. In both cases. Guys like Wilders, he's not the only one by a long chalk, are the ones inciting the brainless right. On the other side there are different figures appealing mainly to the same primitive instincts. That's about the only difference there is. And my heartfelt contempt goes out to both sides.
(October 1, 2016 at 12:58 pm)RobertE Wrote: Just as we atheists do, Wilders is doing likewise. He did state that he is NOT against muslims, but against the religious doctrine. It is like ourselves who don't have any dislike for Christians, just the religious doctrines they love to follow.
I can only assume you never heard him or he's just down you avenue in any case. I for one would never use this kind of speech against any given group. I would be ashamed of myself if I did. But that's just me. So it's certainly not we atheists, since as I argued in another thread, atheism isn't what's defining me in any cvase. There are quite a few atheists I gladly have nothing in common with.
So, the usual group registry on your part again. No big surprises there.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 1:39 pm
I really don't give a shit what you believe as long as you are not a radical or an exclusionist. I'll still think you're delusional but I don't care. So lock the door on the radical muslims, christians, jews, hindus, buddhists, scientologists, mormons, ...........
Or maybe just create a really confusing maze.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 2:52 pm
I am speculating that today there is a young immgrant Muslim family in San Diego, California. The woman wears a burka and trains her daughters to do so also. What are the odds that the daughters will be wearing bikinis by the time they are 18? I would put my money on bikini over burka. Freedom and self expression are enticing.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 3:12 pm
(October 1, 2016 at 2:52 pm)chimp3 Wrote: I am speculating that today there is a young immgrant Muslim family in San Diego, California. The woman wears a burka and trains her daughters to do so also.
You know I only once saw someone wearing a burka. I saw more wearing a hajib but wearing makeup and stylish clothing on the side.
I would even go as far as saying, I saw more othodox male jews that traditional muslim women. Hardly surprising, since the second district of Vienna is still more or less jewish. I feel equally uncomfortable when seeing someone wearing religious garb. My own kind of prejudices, since none of them ever gave me reason to suspect them of being up to anything other than living their traitional lifestyle.
Thing is, I always compare them to me and how uncomfortable I would feel if pressed into any kind of corset.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 5:31 pm
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(October 1, 2016 at 2:52 pm)chimp3 Wrote: I am speculating that today there is a young immgrant Muslim family in San Diego, California. The woman wears a burka and trains her daughters to do so also. What are the odds that the daughters will be wearing bikinis by the time they are 18? I would put my money on bikini over burka. Freedom and self expression are enticing.
The phenomenally swift rate of assimilation for immigrants children into americana is something that doesn't escape the notice of those immigrant communities themselves. If you're talking about the US, and betting between burkas and bikinis, the bikini is so far ahead that it's pointless to bet on. That;s just the short term...the first generation. Over the long run, our culture is so pervasive that many families have entirely forgetten where they actually came from (let alone what the preferred headdress in that place was), and invent stories to fill that hole, all the while believing them to be true, lol.
This, frankly, terrifies foreign fundies. This is why they see our culture as a menacing disease. Why they ban americana in their hellholes, and rail endlessly against the great satan. The deceivers, the seducers, the zionist west.
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RE: Lock The Door To Islam || Geert Wilders
October 1, 2016 at 5:36 pm
(October 1, 2016 at 5:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: This, frankly, terrifies foreign fundies. This is why they see our culture as a menacing disease.
Which in turn is just a tool. In the same way as guys like Wilders work the other side. It's a power trip for both sides. I tend to view it as jerking off in front of a mirror and asking people to join the fun.
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