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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 1:58 pm
The worst part of the Josh ordeal is that he did stuff to his sisters. His parents knew, his sisters went through it, and yet he remained around young girls and his little sisters. I -kinda- understand unconditional love for your children and wanting to protect them but fuck he was messing with more of your children why would you not protect your daughters?!
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:05 pm
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(October 12, 2016 at 1:12 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (October 12, 2016 at 1:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wrote "with the exception of that hypocrite, Josh."
Fair enough, I replied before that edit - but it wasn't just 'that hypocrite Josh.' The whole family was complicit in protecting him and shielding him from the justice that literally anyone else would've experienced. The parents didn't even report the already-admitted sexual abuse for over a year.
Was the cover-up specifically a result of their religion? I couldn't say - but it definitely shows that they aren't just innocent good-hearted people that we happen to disagree with.
By "cover up" do you mean the parents didn't report their son to the cops until the second time it happened? Or do you mean they didn't publicize this ordeal to the world?
I don't think anyone can fault them for the latter. There's no reason why they should've told the world about private family matters involving their then teen/pre teen son. As for the former, I still don't think that comes close to a reason to demonize them, to say they are not good people and to say they "mean harm to others."
I'm sure hindsight being 20/20, when they realized that their son did it again, they wished they had reported it the first time. And we can all say that now as outsiders looking in. And I agree that reporting it to the police right away would have been the objectively moral thing to do. But try putting yourself in the parents' shoes for a sec. If you caught your 12 year old son touching your daughters' boobs while she was asleep, would you really immediately call the cops on your son? Or would you try to handle/fix/prevent the situation as a family first? We all know what the right answer is, but when you are the parent and you are faced with such a difficult and shocking situation involving your children, I can see how emotions and weaknesses can get in the way of making the more right decision.
And I don't think this had anything to do with their religion, since nothing in Christianity teaches people to not report sexual assault to the cops. I think it simply had everything to do with being parents.
Anyway, my point is, I don't think this bad judgement on the part of Mr and Mrs D takes away what I said about the Duggars. Which is that they are good people and don't mean any harm to anyone. Unless anyone honestly believes that Mr and Mrs D actually meant for their daughters to be harmed, which I doubt anyone does.
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:07 pm
(October 11, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The death cult that is jesusism is truly sickening.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/duggar-d...y-realize/
Quote:In the meantime, Jill and Derick Dillard are waiting for the world to end.
“I love having a front-row seat to just get a glimpse of how God is going to fulfill Revelation 7:9,” Derick Dillard posted on Instagram. “I truly believe that we are living in a generation with unique opportunities that God is using to usher in the Kingdom of Heaven quicker than any of us may realize.”
And theists wonder why "atheists are so angry"...
"Why do you care about what we believe?", is constant question we get from theists.
Sorry, but your beliefs in your idiotic fairy tale do not live in a vacuum. They inform your actions.
"But so many theists do good because of their beliefs". No, they do good because they are good people. They just credit their good behavior to their idiotic beliefs, post hoc.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:07 pm
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(October 12, 2016 at 1:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (October 11, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The death cult that is jesusism is truly sickening.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/duggar-d...y-realize/
You may not agree with their religious views, but (with the exception of that hypocrite, Josh) the Duggars are a nice family and nice people. They don't mean any harm to anybody and from what I've seen, it really doesn't seem like any of them have a malicious bone in their body.
Most of us Christians believe that the "end of the world" will simply be the second coming of Christ where we all then move on to the next life, whatever that might be. Not some horrible natural disaster that kills every living thing on the planet. Given their gentle spirit, I am very much willing to bet the Duggars see it as the former.
They're Independent Baptists. "Moving on to the next life" isn't some rainbow and unicorn scenario for most people, according to this sect. They believe in a literal place of eternal torture for non-believers. What the Duggars' belief might be regarding the events leading up to the 2nd coming, I don't know; but I've certainly met many Baptists and Evangelicals who buy into some form of Hal Lindsey's masturbatory fantasies of mass death and destruction. I wouldn't be the least surprised if these 'nice people' also entertained some such fantasy.
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:08 pm
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(October 12, 2016 at 1:19 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (October 12, 2016 at 1:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I wrote "with the exception of that hypocrite, Josh."
And what of the parents who tried to pay off victims and cover up the story? They were willing to protect their little pedophile monster at any cost. That doesn't paint a picture of people who mean no harm.
This is not an accurate account of what happened. The victims were the daughters, and the parents did call the cops on Josh. Just not until after the second time it happened. The first time it happened, they tried to fix it themselves.
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:09 pm
With all of the harsh anti-LGBT stances the Duggars have, I'm not at all convinced that they are harmless. This was true even before the scandal.
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:21 pm
(October 11, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The death cult that is jesusism is truly sickening.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/duggar-d...y-realize/
Quote:In the meantime, Jill and Derick Dillard are waiting for the world to end.
“I love having a front-row seat to just get a glimpse of how God is going to fulfill Revelation 7:9,” Derick Dillard posted on Instagram. “I truly believe that we are living in a generation with unique opportunities that God is using to usher in the Kingdom of Heaven quicker than any of us may realize.”
Even if the world ended by biblical means a good majority even the Duggars are going to hell.
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:30 pm
(October 12, 2016 at 2:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: By "cover up" do you mean the parents didn't report their son to the cops until the second time it happened? Or do you mean they didn't publicize this ordeal to the world?
I don't think anyone can fault them for the latter. There's no reason why they should've told the world about private family matters involving their then teen/pre teen son. As for the former, I still don't think that comes close to a reason to demonize them, to say they are not good people and to say they "mean harm to others."
I'm sure hindsight being 20/20, when they realized that their son did it again, they wished they had reported it the first time. And we can all say that now as outsiders looking in. And I agree that reporting it to the police right away would have been the objectively moral thing to do. But try putting yourself in the parents' shoes for a sec. If you caught your 12 year old son touching your daughters' boobs while she was asleep, would you really immediately call the cops on your son? Or would you try to handle/fix/prevent the situation as a family first? We all know what the right answer is, but when you are the parent and you are faced with such a difficult and shocking situation involving your children, I can see how emotions and weaknesses can get in the way of making the more right decision.
And I don't think this had anything to do with their religion, since nothing in Christianity teaches people to not report sexual assault to the cops. I think it simply had everything to do with being parents.
Anyway, my point is, I don't think this bad judgement on the part of Mr and Mrs D takes away what I said about the Duggars. Which is that they are good people and don't mean any harm to anyone. Unless anyone honestly believes that Mr and Mrs D actually meant for their daughters to be harmed, which I doubt anyone does.
Except it wasn't just his sisters. He had five victims and two of them were his sisters... which btw they said it happened in 2002 which makes Jessa and Jill 10 and 11 years old. The parents simply locked them in their separate rooms.
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:39 pm
(October 12, 2016 at 1:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Most of us Christians believe that the "end of the world" will simply be the second coming of Christ where we all then move on to the next life, whatever that might be. Not some horrible natural disaster that kills every living thing on the planet. Given their gentle spirit, I am very much willing to bet the Duggars see it as the former.
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And that's just the seventh angel. There were six others before that.
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RE: Duggar Fuctards Can't Wait For The End of the World
October 12, 2016 at 2:53 pm
I've heard this argument from atheists before pointing out the Duggars and their recent family issues and cover-up. I ask you, where has any believer stated that all believers are perfect and only do "good"? Any believer who espouses such things can and should be labeled as a fraud. We are all people despite our beliefs and we all make mistakes that have consequences. Does that define who we are? How we handle those situations and continue to handle them long after fact defines and shapes our character.
I've made mistakes in my life, I'm certain everyone here has. Throwing ones mistakes in their face is the most hypocritical thing someone can do in my opinion. Not only are you playing the judge over their actions, but you are placing yourself as their moral superior. Do I agree with Josh's actions, or course not. Do I believe the victims and his parents handled it appropriately, that's not for me to say. I know I would have handled it differently but that is not to say their handling was wrong. They are in the public eye and that certainly needs to play a part in the decisions of handling it. These circumstances have life altering effects (I know from experience) and it will need to continually be handled/addressed throughout all of their lives.
Be careful how judge the actions of others and make statements about who they are. All you can make are statements of how YOU perceive them and that is not the same thing.
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