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Supernatural Evidence?
#71
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
Would a mouse with a human ear count? hehehehehehe
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#72
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
(October 18, 2016 at 8:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(October 18, 2016 at 2:58 pm)abaris Wrote: One growing back a limb would suffice. To prove the supernatural that is. Not to prove god. The one and only god you claim to be the one and only. Which is but one out of many. So not even if we were to give you the supernatural and it being a god's work, does it prove to be your scripted christian god of your denomination. Since even christians don't agree on one definition.

I'm an atheist, but if some amputee did have a completely restored limb, I would at least become a theist.

How would you go about discerning if a god was responsible?

How would you even go about proving it was a supernatural occurrence?

There are plenty of organisms that can regrow limbs. No one claims they do it with the use of the supernatural, or a god.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#73
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
(October 18, 2016 at 8:11 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Would a mouse with a human ear count? hehehehehehe

Better to ask with a birds eye or even better, a mantis shrimp eye.

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#74
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
(October 18, 2016 at 7:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:Nothing for nothing but Daniel says that certain things are sealed up until the end, therefor are not in the bible.

Dan 12:9 "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

How charmingly ad hoc.

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#75
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
(October 18, 2016 at 8:18 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(October 18, 2016 at 8:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I'm an atheist, but if some amputee did have a completely restored limb, I would at least become a theist.

How would you go about discerning if a god was responsible?

How would you even go about proving it was a supernatural occurrence?

There are plenty of organisms that can regrow limbs. No one claims they do it with the use of the supernatural, or a god.


Some folks are reluctant atheists.  They only leave the faith because the possible justification for believing is so meager that they can't intellectually make it work.  In such a situation you wouldn't need a conclusive reason, just one that tips the scale back where you'd like to see it go.

Not speaking for Jehanne of course; she is fully capable of doing that herself.
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#76
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
(October 18, 2016 at 8:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(October 18, 2016 at 2:58 pm)abaris Wrote: One growing back a limb would suffice. To prove the supernatural that is. Not to prove god. The one and only god you claim to be the one and only. Which is but one out of many. So not even if we were to give you the supernatural and it being a god's work, does it prove to be your scripted christian god of your denomination. Since even christians don't agree on one definition.

I'm an atheist, but if some amputee did have a completely restored limb, I would at least become a theist.

If an amputee ever re-grows a limb, it'll be thanks to scientists, not shamen.
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#77
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
(October 19, 2016 at 1:12 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(October 18, 2016 at 8:08 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I'm an atheist, but if some amputee did have a completely restored limb, I would at least become a theist.

If an amputee ever re-grows a limb, it'll be thanks to scientists, not shamen.

If it's instantaneous, then it would violate the Conservation of Energy, which would make it a miracle.  No conservation laws mean no science, and hence, no naturalism.  In this sense, atheistic naturalism is completely refutable, at least in principle.  No empirical observation could ever refute deism, theism, pantheism, etc.
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#78
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
So, I'm still missing the part in all that which proves the supernatural. Does the Bible quote say a ghost told him it was so? Does he describe in detail specifically the vents which we only recently discovered? Did we divine the existence of these vents by magic? Because it looks to me like the Bible says something vague and then you come along and say, "Wait a minute! That is talking about this specific thing which he couldn't possibly have known about, even though the only evidence this is true is that the description vaguely matches!"
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#79
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
I'm wondering why the contents of a book count as "supernatural evidence", whatever that's supposed to mean, in the first place.  Nothing supernatural about a book, last I checked.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#80
RE: Supernatural Evidence?
Wrong thread somehow... I'm not asleep, I swear
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