Supernatural Evidence?

[I_am_not_mafia]

That sentence is meaningless.

Hold up! Why is asking you to provide a citation with your claim meaningless?

Easy. For someone who is gender fluid, the non-plastic parts of the brain that encode gender identity are even balanced between male and female. Yet gender is also cultural, in the same way that everyone is a balance of nature and nurture. So the plastic parts of the brain change current gender preference over time due to cultural experience.

Mind providing a reference?

OK looking back at it I misunderstood what you meant. I didn't read it as "do you mind" but you were trying to say something along the lines of "The mind is providing a reference"

No reference I'm afraid. Just a hypothesis based on my understanding of neuroscience based on reading many books in the area. But you were asking for me to come up for a reason for something (my bold).

Here is the relevance; If gender is determined by the brain, how do you explain someone who is gender fluid?

[Huggy Bear]

That was a rhetorical question.

Gender fluidity kinda nullifies everything you said...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/living/gender-fluid-feat/

For some people, gender is not just about being male or female; in fact, how one identifies can change every day or even every few hours.

*emphasis mine*

[GrandizerII]

That was a rhetorical question.

Gender fluidity kinda nullifies everything you said...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/living/gender-fluid-feat/

For some people, gender is not just about being male or female; in fact, how one identifies can change every day or even every few hours.

*emphasis mine*

Every day or even every few hours sounds very misleading (when applied to gender).

But putting that aside, let's suppose gender is "fluid", so what? Should we force you to identify with being a woman against your will?

What's the agenda here?

Fluid, by the way, does not necessarily imply controllable.

[AceBoogie]

How did this thread turn into a discussion about gender identity?

[Huggy Bear]

Fluidity

[I_am_not_mafia]

Huggy, does your gender identity change every few days or hours?

[Huggy Bear]

Nope, 100% Mandingo...

[I_am_not_mafia]

How did this thread turn into a discussion about gender identity?

Because Huggy is trying to avoid discussing the fact that his concept of free will does not stand up to scrutiny.

So if your god does not exist then neither does free will.

Do animals, fish and insects have free will? Or are they all controlled by your god?

Animals live according to their nature, in other words they live according to how God made them. A pig doesn't try to be a wolf or vice versa, yet somehow a man can announce he's a woman and it's supposed to be accepted as being truth, so much so that their crediting a man (really a woman) with giving birth, plain nonsense.

And the reason he needs to believe in free will is because:

Look either one has free will or they do not.

Of course God saw it coming, if he was to give man it's own will, then he would have to accept the possibility that man's will would not always operate according to his will.

So he has a vested interest in the idea that our identity is not a product of our brains

[I_am_not_mafia]

Nope, 100% Mandingo...

The same with the majority of people. The gender fluid are a minority, an exception. This does not nullify everything I said because what I said applies to the majority case. Fixating on a special case is consistent with your tendency to quote mine.

[AceBoogie]

How did this thread turn into a discussion about gender identity?

Because Huggy is trying to avoid discussing the fact that his concept of free will does not stand up to scrutiny.

Interesting.

Not everything is influenced by your will.

Gender identity is not something I really understand I suppose. Even though I am what most people, I imagine, would consider me to be a masculine man, I don't ever THINK about identifying as a man, woman, or otherwise. I simply feel like a PERSON who happens to have a penis. Maybe that is because I don't really feel any conflict with my gender/gender identity so it's not something I think about. Something to consider Huggy...

However I do understand that others in society, though they may be in a minority, DO in fact feel some sort of internal/external conflict over their internal/external selves. They claim it is something that's not under their control and I believe that because, well why the fuck wouldn't I?

Actually, never mind what I just said. They're all godless heathens and should be put to death.