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How I deal with no afterlife
#91
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
I'd say trees are more valuable than me in terms of doing good. They look pretty and make fresh air. Flowers smell nice and look awesome as well. Cows give milk... Ice cream... Bees give honey. Birds sing sweet songs. Dolphins swim beautifully.

SuperMarioGamer, what so special about you?
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#92
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 19, 2016 at 4:47 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm not "special" because I'm going to have an afterlife, but rather because unlike all other creatures on earth, I'm made in the image of God.  Having an afterlife is one result of being in God's image, but even if it wasn't I would still be special because God made me to be special.

Whatever keeps the tears at bay, Lek
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#93
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 19, 2016 at 8:35 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(October 19, 2016 at 8:32 pm)Lek Wrote: No so fast Brewer!  You're not out of the woods.  I said you're special, not saved.

So he's special, just not that special?

There's not much room on Lek's short bus.
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#94
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 19, 2016 at 8:36 pm)Lek Wrote:
(October 19, 2016 at 7:47 pm)Gemini Wrote: I would prefer to live longer than the average human lifespan. I would prefer many things. This universe is very, very far from being optimized for sentient beings.

How do you deal with this? You accept that you and the universe aren't special. You are what you are. And that might not make for the grand finale of a sappy, sentimental story, but it's real. It's true. And accepting reality is worth more than false hope.

Why do you believe this?  If the universe is not optimized for sentient beings, why did we evolve to be so?  Doesn't make sense to me.

If the universe was designed for intelligent life, why is 99.999999999% of it instantly lethal to the only intelligent life yet discovered?
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#95
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 20, 2016 at 7:49 pm)SuperMarioGamer Wrote:
(October 20, 2016 at 6:39 pm)Macoleco Wrote: I dont see why dying and rotting demenas the value of your life.

We are bodies, bodies of meat, blood, and bones.

Dying is normal, and rotting is a natural process. What matters is what you do with life.

I said it demeans the value of me as a human being since it is treating me like nothing more than a biological recyclable material.  I am here for a while, then forever rot and decay since it is a part of the cycle of nature.  I am nothing more than some biological material just here to live and be recycled in the end and that, to me, is utterly insulting and demeaning of me as a human being.

Some would say that it is not since I came about through billions of years and that should somehow be the opposite of demeaning.  They would also say that I am a once in a lifetime and that should be the greatest thing.  But it still doesn't matter.  The fact still remains that I will just forever rot and decay when I die and that, to me, is still the most insulting and demeaning thing.

Therefore, it doesn't matter how much I choose to focus on the good about this, the fact will always remain that I will just forever rot and decay and that will always get to me.  But thankfully, I remain undecided on the issue as to whether the eternal blissful afterlife (heaven) exists or not.

If I knew that there was no afterlife, then I would be absolutely enraged right now since I would feel utterly insulted and demeaned by the very fact that I would forever rot and decay when I die.  Therefore, there is actually no reason for me to feel insulted and demeaned because why feel so over something that is unknown to me?

Why be upset over something that may or may not even be true according to my undecided agnostic worldview?

What matters in this life is what we do in this life. What comes after means nothing. Eternal bliss, eternal torture or rotting away to nothing. From the view we have here in the cheap seats, there is no difference! We can't see beyond the veil, so why would you want to make the one life you know you get miserable because you don't get to participate in something after that someone else told you about.

Life is more precious, not less, because we only get the one. What you do here and who you influence now are far more important than what may be in some fantasy after.
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#96
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 22, 2016 at 3:26 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(October 19, 2016 at 8:36 pm)Lek Wrote: Why do you believe this?  If the universe is not optimized for sentient beings, why did we evolve to be so?  Doesn't make sense to me.

If the universe was designed for intelligent life, why is 99.999999999% of it instantly lethal to the only intelligent life yet discovered?
Because that space is required for stars to form, make new atomic elements (required for intelligent life in bodies) and blow up, spewing their contents and new atoms formed in the explosion (required for intelligent life) so that charged nebular clouds saturated with simple amino acids can cool in space and do this @ 4:01...form DNA structures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kanYuBptuZ0

I don't believe the universe was intelligently designed. I have come to the conclusion is was procreated.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
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#97
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 22, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I don't believe the universe was intelligently designed. I have come to the conclusion is was procreated.

Your also a fringe outlier with no evidence to back up your procreative model.
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#98
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 22, 2016 at 3:26 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(October 19, 2016 at 8:36 pm)Lek Wrote: Why do you believe this?  If the universe is not optimized for sentient beings, why did we evolve to be so?  Doesn't make sense to me.

If the universe was designed for intelligent life, why is 99.999999999% of it instantly lethal to the only intelligent life yet discovered?

Why, then, did intelligent life evolve in an environment that is 99.999999% lethal to it?
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#99
RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 22, 2016 at 3:51 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(October 22, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: I don't believe the universe was intelligently designed. I have come to the conclusion is was procreated.

Your also a fringe outlier with no evidence to back up your procreative model.
Every single scientific theory was "fringe" when it emerged. I also break no rules of physics. They make the structure of a universe by equal/opposite reactions. The first structure set predicts the anatomy and behavior of atoms.

Watch the above video as inert dust in an ionized gas (plasma crystal) in space forms DNA structure when it is cooled.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
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RE: How I deal with no afterlife
(October 22, 2016 at 4:35 pm)Lek Wrote:
(October 22, 2016 at 3:26 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: If the universe was designed for intelligent life, why is 99.999999999% of it instantly lethal to the only intelligent life yet discovered?

Why, then, did intelligent life evolve in an environment that is 99.999999% lethal to it?

For the same reason that lesser or non intelligent life evolved in that same environment. Because it can. I cannot speak for other star systems - but in ours, the distance between the Earth and the Sun creates acceptable conditions for life to evolve. At least for the time being.

Don't forget - long before human beings came around, the Earth was dominated by several other species. We aren't that special, we're just in the top spot for now.
“Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangey-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have half a one for breakfast.”  - Ford Prefect
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