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Ask a Bible college Student
RE: Ask a Bible college Student
(November 3, 2016 at 8:26 am)abaris Wrote:
(November 3, 2016 at 1:35 am)Emzap Wrote: If this life is as good as it gets, by all means I'm gonna do what I want and nothing can stop me.

See, this is the thing pissing me off most about some religious people. Their own admission of nothing holding them back if there was no god and no afterlife. So you, like some before you, would be the perfect asshole. The only thing keeping you from graduating to become the next Ted Bundy is your religious fears.

Scary, but good to know.

I doubt he meant anything like hurting ppl or being a jerk even. He was probably referring to stuff that society considers normal but that Christians should try to avoid - like casual sex, porn viewing, etc.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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(November 3, 2016 at 10:06 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I doubt he meant anything like hurting ppl or being a jerk even. He was probably referring to stuff that society considers normal but that Christians should try to avoid -  like casual sex, porn viewing, etc.

So let him explain what he meant.

The pissing off part is about some people constantly asking what keeps us from going out murdering others. Without seeing the irony and how that reflects on their own personality. The only possible conclusion is that being afraid of their imaginary friend is the only thing keeping them in check.
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Personally I would not kill anyone if God told me to. Here's why. The God that I believe exists is the God of love and goodness. Like, he literally IS love. It would be against his very nature to want me to kill my child because killing children is just about the most evil thing you can do. If God wanted me to do that, my whole reality would be turned upside down completely.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: Ask a Bible college Student
(November 3, 2016 at 10:11 am)abaris Wrote:
(November 3, 2016 at 10:06 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I doubt he meant anything like hurting ppl or being a jerk even. He was probably referring to stuff that society considers normal but that Christians should try to avoid -  like casual sex, porn viewing, etc.

So let him explain what he meant.

The pissing off part is about some people constantly asking what keeps us from going out murdering others. Without seeing the irony and how that reflects on their own personality. The only possible conclusion is that being afraid of their imaginary friend is the only thing keeping them in check.

Emzap, would you go out and start killing ppl if you didn't believe in God?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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(November 3, 2016 at 10:13 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Personally I would not kill anyone if God told me to.

I wasn't talking about you. That's mainly an evangelical speciality.
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(November 2, 2016 at 5:21 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Emzap, in your opinion, is murder wrong and if so what are the reasons?

I predict his answer is "because God says so".

Clearly, from the question about the hypothetical son, if God said murder was fine then according to him it would be fine.
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(November 3, 2016 at 10:13 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Personally I would not kill anyone if God told me to. Here's why. The God that I believe exists is the God of love and goodness. Like, he literally IS love. It would be against his very nature to want me to kill my child because killing children is just about the most evil thing you can do. If God wanted me to do that, my whole reality would be turned upside down completely.

This is why you're a good person.

Good > God.

I hope one day you'll feel able to have the former without belief in the latter. In all honesty I crave for you to find a greater happiness than ever after your world is turned upside down and you become an atheist one day Angel

But I merely privately crave for theists to lose their faith. I don't try to deconvert anyone.
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(November 3, 2016 at 10:19 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(November 2, 2016 at 5:21 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Emzap, in your opinion, is murder wrong and if so what are the reasons?

I predict his answer is "because God says so".

Clearly, from the question about the hypothetical son, if God said murder was fine then according to him it would be fine.

That would be a rather shallow, overly simplified version of the answer, but it isn't the incorrect answer according to our beliefs.

God created natural law, which is consistent with his nature. His nature is love. Murder goes against natural law. It goes against the way our world was designed to work and against the way we were designed to feel, which is empathy for our fellow humans.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: Ask a Bible college Student
(November 3, 2016 at 10:20 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(November 3, 2016 at 10:13 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Personally I would not kill anyone if God told me to. Here's why. The God that I believe exists is the God of love and goodness. Like, he literally IS love. It would be against his very nature to want me to kill my child because killing children is just about the most evil thing you can do. If God wanted me to do that, my whole reality would be turned upside down completely.

This is why you're a good person.

Good > God.

I hope one day you'll feel able to have the former without belief in the latter. In all honesty I crave for you to find a greater happiness than ever after your world is turned upside down and you become an atheist one day Angel

But I merely privately crave for theists to lose their faith. I don't try to deconvert anyone.

We'll thank you for the compliment lol. Smile
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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I'd think the criteria for evaluating a 'kill order' from God might depend on who's in the cross hairs.

An Amalekite wouldn't merit much compassion. A Samaritan rather more.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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