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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:38 am
(November 9, 2016 at 11:36 am)wallym Wrote: People keep blaming 3rd party voters.The hubris of saying We're going to nominate Hillary even though we know you don't want to vote for her, and then we're going to point the finger at you for not voting for her, even though we knew you said you weren't going to vote for her.
Pick a better candidate. Electability matters.
Yeah. Damn shame we couldn't do that. So I guess we get the angry white christian candidate.
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:39 am
(November 8, 2016 at 3:22 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Poll needs "none of your business" and "fuck all polls" as options IMO.
I'm voting for this guy.
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:44 am
(November 9, 2016 at 11:32 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: But you're assuming that most Gary Johnson/Jill Stein voters would've automatically voted for Hillary. The fact that it was this close at all is a far bigger problem.
No. That's not the point. Going into an election voting for somebody you know won't win when your state is literally deciding the election is irrational. No realistic mobilization of Johnson voters could ever have dreamt of getting close to getting the state to go for him. Your choice is between Clinton and Trump. All Johnson voters did was frustrate the realists in those states. And when the numbers are so close that Johnson's numbers literally fill the gap between the two candidates, it's inexcusable. Ridiculous.
I voted third party. Not even, I voted for a joke third party candidate. But I live in New York. If I lived in Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Florida, etc. you bet your ass I'd have voted for Clinton.
(November 9, 2016 at 11:34 am)Kingpin Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 11:26 am)Aegon Wrote: If you live in one of the battleground states and voted for Johnson, congrats on fucking things up.
I live in Michigan and voted for Johnson. I did not "fuck" anything up. I voted my opinion as the rest of Americans did.
Michigan:
Trump - 47.6%
Clinton - 47.3%
Johnson - 3.6%
Tell yourself that all you want, friend.
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:48 am
(November 9, 2016 at 11:34 am)Kingpin Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 11:26 am)Aegon Wrote: If you live in one of the battleground states and voted for Johnson, congrats on fucking things up.
I live in Michigan and voted for Johnson. I did not "fuck" anything up. I voted my opinion as the rest of Americans did.
Good for you, Kingpin.
Don't let people bully you into voting for anyone you don't like.
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:50 am
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2016 at 11:51 am by henryp.)
(November 9, 2016 at 11:38 am)Whateverist Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 11:36 am)wallym Wrote: People keep blaming 3rd party voters.The hubris of saying We're going to nominate Hillary even though we know you don't want to vote for her, and then we're going to point the finger at you for not voting for her, even though we knew you said you weren't going to vote for her.
Pick a better candidate. Electability matters.
Yeah. Damn shame we couldn't do that. So I guess we get the angry white christian candidate.
I know I'd have voted for Bernie without hesitation. Instead I ended up going with Trump. I would have considered Stein, but she wasn't on the NC Ballot. Hillary was never an option for me. (unless Ted Cruz was repub nominee)
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:52 am
That's an incredible sort of about face...from Bernie to Trump....gratz on the win....just sayin, lol.
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:54 am
(November 9, 2016 at 11:44 am)Aegon Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 11:32 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: But you're assuming that most Gary Johnson/Jill Stein voters would've automatically voted for Hillary. The fact that it was this close at all is a far bigger problem.
No. That's not the point. Going into an election voting for somebody you know won't win when your state is literally deciding the election is irrational. No realistic mobilization of Johnson voters could ever have dreamt of getting close to getting the state to go for him. Your choice is between Clinton and Trump. All Johnson voters did was frustrate the realists in those states. And when the numbers are so close that Johnson's numbers literally fill the gap between the two candidates, it's inexcusable. Ridiculous.
I voted third party. Not even, I voted for a joke third party candidate. But I live in New York. If I lived in Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Florida, etc. you bet your ass I'd have voted for Clinton.
(November 9, 2016 at 11:34 am)Kingpin Wrote: I live in Michigan and voted for Johnson. I did not "fuck" anything up. I voted my opinion as the rest of Americans did.
Michigan:
Trump - 47.6%
Clinton - 47.3%
Johnson - 3.6%
Tell yourself that all you want, friend.
Aegon, this viewpoint is completely irrational. Swing state or not no voter should feel pressured to vote for a candidate they do not support. You are saying if you lived in my state you would have changed your vote? If you support Hillary in Michigan why did you not vote for her in NY? I don't follow your logic. You are basically saying your vote doesn't matter and silencing your own voice. No my vote is NOT dependent on where I live. My vote is my civic duty to place for the candidate I feel falls most in line with my views. Whether they have a snowballs chance in hell of winning is irrelevant.
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:55 am
(November 9, 2016 at 11:26 am)Aegon Wrote: If you live in one of the battleground states and voted for Johnson, congrats on fucking things up.
This is only assuming that everyone who voted for him would otherwise have voted Hillary.
My husband and I have generally voted Republican in the past. This election we both voted Gary.
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 11:57 am
(November 9, 2016 at 11:34 am)Kingpin Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 11:26 am)Aegon Wrote: If you live in one of the battleground states and voted for Johnson, congrats on fucking things up.
I live in Michigan and voted for Johnson. I did not "fuck" anything up. I voted my opinion as the rest of Americans did.
Yep. I live in Texas but voted for Gary as a Floridian, so the vote counted for Florida... a swing state.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: To my fellow Americans - who did you vote for?
November 9, 2016 at 12:03 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 11:52 am)Rhythm Wrote: That's an incredible sort of about face...from Bernie to Trump....gratz on the win....just sayin, lol.
When you look at special interest money, trade, and war policy, there's a lot of overlap.
Re gratz, I don't think this is some competition that I won. I'm nervously waiting to see what he actually does.
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