Were social justice warriors responsible for the election outcome?

[Rhondazvous]

I can't help but look at the election results and think, in hindsight, I can't be too surprised.  

Since about 2012 or so, the SJW's have been on the rise; the jerks who use progressive sounding, virtuous buzzwords to justify being jerks.  Before, they were always on the fringe for everyone to laugh at their absurdity.  You can go to Tumblr and find them all over the place and they're increasingly getting more influential on twitter.  But lately, they've been getting more noticed, especially on college campuses.  

It feels like suicide for the democrats and even for the reasonable republicans.  I mean, seriously: white people, like it or not, are the majority here, but in this election cycle, these people turned "white male" into an insult in the name of progressivism.  I don't know how they think a democracy works, but you don't win elections by insulting the majority.  Not to mention, there's the boy-who-cried-wolf effect: we've gotten so used to bratty college kids calling everything racism that when Trump is saying or doing things that are genuinely racist, we ignore it.  Racism is a term that's so over-used that it lost its meaning, opening the doors for legitimate, serious racism.

And the kicker?  Hillary focused on them but ignored the rust belt states that used to be the backbone of the democratic party.  Yeah, the middle class factory workers in Ohio, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.  Their jobs are suddenly being outsourced to Asian sweatshops and they aren't exactly trained to work the jobs that are replacing them.  Yet, instead of talking about those issues, progressives are dismissing them because they're "white males."  Instead of listening to their concerns, their worries, their issues, they're being chastised for not memorizing a 19-year-old's ten sylable gender identity that he just came up with last week.  Trump, to his credit, actually showed concern for them, claiming he'll back out of Nafta and bring manufacturing back from China (I don't think he'll actually be able to do either, but at least he's showing concern).  You want to flip this election around, have Hillary address labor issues, manufacturing jobs, things like that, and don't just cater to a bunch of spoiled college kids.

First, I want to say that I believe in justice and in social justice. However, I don’t think vilifying white men is a path to justice of any kind. People say they want change, but by vilifying white men they aren’t aiming for change. Just exchange. To exchange places with white men will not bring justice. Every ethnic and gender group has the same kind of people: the good, the bad and the ugly. Human beings are human beings and they will do what they will do regardless of ethnicity or gender. So how is seeing white men as personas non grata any different from seeing black or brown men as such?

Having said that, I will also say this: even if the US were a democracy, which it is not. The US is a republic. But even if it were a democracy, no group, black, white, brown or whatever, should bow down to oppression and injustice just because they are in the minority. Would you have LGBTQ accept the oppression from the heterosexual majority?

This is not a defense of Hillary. Nor the democratic party. It took blacks sixty years after the Compromise of 1879 to finally switch over from "Lincoln's party" to embrace the reinvented dixiecrats under Franklin Roosevelt. They're all one to me.

[scoobysnack]

This is an interesting thread, and honestly in my opinion SJWs were indirectly responsible for creating a candidate like Trump which was a response to the madness of the SJW movement. I have some friends who share videos of SJWs just making absolute fools of themselves walking around smug acting like they are so pure and virtuous, but in the end they took it too far. I actually voted straight republican including Donald Trump out of spite and to basically shut these people down. I'm not a republican, but I'm basically the scum of the earth as far as progressive SJWs go. I'm as they call me a cis-gendered heterosexual able bodied middle class white male. Apparently I'm part of the white supremacy who's very existence is oppressing people currently and in the past. Forget the fact my ancestors didn't even arrive in the US until after slavery had ended, but I'm still benefiting from the privileged that everyone unlike me faces. I'm told I need to atone for my sins.

The funny thing is I'm 35 and most "liberal progressive" people my age and older don't know the term social justice warrior or SJW. It's really the younger ones that fall into that category, and to be fair it's a label given to them to mock them. I've found them to be living in an inverted reality, and victims of ideological subversion which through demoralization, led to nihilism and being narcissistic. I know they actually mean well, and truly feel they are fighting against injustice but at the same time they are destroying the cultural fabric which holds this country together. And the problem is they see that culture as oppressive and worth tearing apart which is why there is no loyalty to nation, or borders, or traditional morals which are all seen barriers to overcome. Honestly if you were an enemy force trying to destroy a country from within in an attempt to overthrow it, the SJWs would be the useful idiots the KGB spoke of back in the day.

Anyway, found this video the other day, and reminded me to make a post in this thread.

[The Grand Nudger]

Now on FB I'm screwing with the SJWs by just accepting their charges. Drives them crazy. 

LOL....is that what you're doing?  Sure you're not stretching out your legs a little, getting comfortable with yourself?

In any case, all of this hand wringing is just silly. The idea that sjws are somehow responsible for the reprehensible behavior of others is a non-starter, no matter how reprehensible their behavior might seem to anyone else. Bigotry is broadly appealing, clearly. Well placed bigots can win elections. Particularly when their other choice is someone they've uniformly hated for two generations of voters, now. Look at scoobs up there, waxing nostalgic about the "cultural fabric".....it's difficult to imagine what that would mean, in context of things that sjws bitch about. Dissent threatens the fabric, comrades. Useful idiots indeed.