"the movement."

[Thumpalumpacus]

There's a reason why those empires are defunct, Drich ... but it's not the reason you posited in your OP.

Once again flaunting your ignorance of history.

By the way, colonialism finally ended in Sub-Saharan Africa in the 60s. Guess you need to brush up on your math, too, Squib.

[Drich]

We want to stop being disproportionately discriminated/racially profiled against and to stop being killed for no good reason.  We also want to end the systematic and institutional racism and the corruption that affects all layers of government and law enforcement that enables the aforementioned disproportionate killings of black people.

It's not that hard to grasp, mate.

so sorry 'mate' but we are not talking about you... Read the OP This thread is about the published BLM manifesto called "the movement or The vision for black lives." I left a link to it.

If you could be made to read past your martyrdom you'd see that black lives matter is wanting it's own subgovernment for black people and a political stake in government for everyone else. They are effectively asking for a double standard in a unified nation. Black people play by their own rules, the US governement is to turn over land possible whole cities for 'reparations' and the 'right for black people to own their communities' (it just depends of their definition of community) BLM is also Demanding that they police themselves. And have full share in the rest of the country's government to set rules and regs for everyone else concerning black people.

The last time demands like this were made was in 1861 just before the civil war. the succession/duality of government in one nation, is what brought on the battle of ft Sumter, and the subsequent war.

Need I remind you what happened to that 'minority' of southern white democrats?

[Aegon]

As the debate raged on, I started to wonder what is 'black culture?' Is it the angry anti establishment, pro drug misogynistic, dominate and conquer stuff rap guys are always on about? Or Is it just a mirror image/black version of established white culture? (everything is basically the same but black people are in charge) and before I could come up with an answer. The guy arguing for BLM on the radio used that term again "African American culture" for some reason the word African stuck out in my mind... Then I began to think, in the history of the world, have Sub-Saharan Africans (S-SA) EVER in recorded history established a ideal empire, or a successful culturally and economically stable country? I could not come up with one example.

Wow lol

[Drich]

typical liberal foolish response...
In fear of what someone else may think... I won't express what I believe to be right.

My biggest concern is not that others will think ill of me; that's fine. My biggest concern is that someone will come along, hijack what I've said, and drag it into the sewer. It's happened many times to me on the internet where I'll try to begin an earnest conversation about this, only to find my words twisted into something resembling a KKK hood by assholes. 

And, in the spirit of giving equal time, lefties do what results in the same thing. There's this knee-jerk reaction to start yelling "Racist!" at anyone who may suggest that the problems of the general black community may not be so much on whitey anymore, and that it hasn't been for quite some time. 

Black Lives Matter doesn't raise the ire of white people because it has so much power. It pisses white people off because the vast majority of us are not racist, yet we all get branded with it. We are given the "for us or against us" option and well, fuck that. 

And the answer, "Now you know how it feels" is horse-shit. Look who just got elected POTUS. That's how it feels. 

That said, institutional racism does exist. One can acknowledge that at the same time as admitting that it's not white people causing black people their problems (for the most part). And that's what the left won't discuss. It won't even admit the possibility that such a phenomenon exists. I think a lot of it is white guilt, which is something I don't feel and never will, and unless one has actively engaged in racist activity, they shouldn't feel it either. 

The second this is this: what conservatives say about leftist academia is true. Having gone back to school later in life, I've seen this firsthand. It's perfectly acceptable for any ethnicity to say shit like "Those are white people problems" or something stupidly similar. You know what, we all have serious problems and concerns. And all of us white folks aren't sitting around lighting $500 cigars with $100 bills.

And when I asked my counselor for a pamphlet on scholarship awards, she looked at me like I was crazy. When I got home and opened up the pamphlet, I saw why. There was nothing in there for me. Sure, if you were a racial minority or female, you had lots of possibilities. Me, the white guy? Nothing. But see, that's okay with me because it wasn't a need, and it shows action on the part of our government to give those who, in the past and in the present, need a helping hand. But if I was 20 years old and it was a need, I'd be fucking furious. And reasonably so. 

My best friend voted for Trump. He described it as the "Biggest 'fuck-you' in American history." He's also gone back to school later in life and he also knows that no matter how well he does or has done, there's no free money for him. 

Now I'm gonna go put on my intellectual armor before returning to this thread.

Now read the BLM manifesto and comment on that. (which should bring you back to what this thread is supposed to be about)

[Drich]

I read it. Not being black, who am I to say good, bad, or other. Somethings I would agree with at least in part if not whole, others do not make sense to me. 

D, start eating butter flavored Crisco straight from the can. You'll feel better.

well, there's no lactose.. that might help.

[Drich]

Black Lives Matter doesn't raise the ire of white people because it has so much power. It pisses white people off because the vast majority of us are not racist, yet we all get branded with it. We are given the "for us or against us" option and well, fuck that. 

BLM doesn't rise my ire, I'm pretty damned white.  You're describing a sleight that you or "we" or "white people"- but apparently not all of them,  have perceived.

Are you for or against people who are protesting being shot for driving/walking/breathing while black?  Not that laundry list of shit -you- wanted to make it about, as the Speaker for Whitey.  For or against -that-, that's what BLM is about.  I'm sure that answer is for them, with them.  You're a decent human being.  Yeah?

again BLM has shifted gears. It is not about not getting shot. it is about "the movement now." which includes a complete restructure of US.

[TaraJo]

In general, it's more productive to talk about racial issues without bringing up the group Black Lives Matter. Truth is, there's so much propoganda on both sides about that group that the conversations always devolve into bitch fests over what the group "really" is.

Truth is, black people have been being killed by police (or "community watch volunteers") at an alarming rate. And these aren't especially bad guys, either. A lot of the ones killed never committed any crime or, at very least, not any crime worthy of being murdered. Yeah, I mean, it was illegal for Eric Garner to sell tax-free cigarettes, but if tax evasion is a crime worthy of the death penalty, I'm terrified of the distopian world that we're currently in.

And it isn't anything new, either. I mean, have you seen the race gap in prison populations? I mean, black people are about 15% of the general population, but I think they're 40% of the prison population. You don't get such skewed statistics unless something is seriously wrong. Hell, have you seen comparisons on what happens when a white person and a black person both attempt to exercise their second amendment rights? The result is are an ugly contrast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whMxztJjhAA

But I also know there are radicals within the BLM movement. They're the ones encouraging riots. They're the ones encouraging killing police. So it isn't fair to say that there aren't unreasonable, dangerous radicals within the movement, but it's equally unfair to claim that everyone within the movement or everyone who supports the movement supports violence or hate. That would be kinda like judging all Christians by Westboro Baptist.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'll say this.   I think that it's completely valid to incite a riot, if you find yourself on the shitty end of institutional misconduct.  What are you supposed to do?   Ask the authorities for a redress of grievance?  They're the ones shooting you.

[Drich]

In general, it's more productive to talk about racial issues without bringing up the group Black Lives Matter.  Truth is, there's so much propoganda on both sides about that group that the conversations always devolve into bitch fests over what the group "really" is.  

Truth is, black people have been being killed by police (or "community watch volunteers") at an alarming rate.  And these aren't especially bad guys, either.  A lot of the ones killed never committed any crime or, at very least, not any crime worthy of being murdered.  Yeah, I mean, it was illegal for Eric Garner to sell tax-free cigarettes, but if tax evasion is a crime worthy of the death penalty, I'm terrified of the distopian world that we're currently in.

And it isn't anything new, either.  I mean, have you seen the race gap in prison populations?   I mean, black people are about 15% of the general population, but I think they're 40% of the prison population.  You don't get such skewed statistics unless something is seriously wrong.  Hell, have you seen comparisons on what happens when a white person and a black person both attempt to exercise their second amendment rights?  The result is are an ugly contrast:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMxztJjhAA

But I also know there are radicals within the BLM movement.  They're the ones encouraging riots.  They're the ones encouraging killing police.  So it isn't fair to say that there aren't unreasonable, dangerous radicals within the movement, but it's equally unfair to claim that everyone within the movement or everyone who supports the movement supports violence or hate.  That would be kinda like judging all Christians by Westboro Baptist.

Well, that's the thing. I wasn't quoting some crazy right wing annalist. I quoted the BLM official website. It would seem the 'westbro baptists' or rather the radicals of the BLM movement are the the people still wanting to conform to America as it currently stands. The BLM site clearly outlines in a literal manifesto Demands the US government must make to appease the members of this movement.

Again BLM is not the BLM of Trevon Maritian or even Micheal Brown. It is morphed into a separatist group. again click on the link in the OP and read their words for yourself. If you want to call me racist for saying they want these things... then I just want you to know I am just relaying what their official website "Demands."

[Drich]

I'll say this.   I think that it's completely valid to incite a riot, if you find yourself on the shitty end of institutional misconduct.  What are you supposed to do?   Ask the authorities for a redress of grievance?  They're the ones shooting you.

I guess you are not familiar with youtube and the actual riot footage?

Maybe you ought to educate yourself before you make such a stupid claim.