Both NDE and psi research experiments produce statistically significant results - results comparable with the results of non-controversial scientific experiments. However, the implication of those results are subjected to heightened scrutiny because they challenge the assumptions of dominant materialist paradigms. In response to that scrutiny, researchers in those areas are extremely scrupulous about controls. Some studies have as many a quadruple blinds. That does not mean that the conscious survival of death is proven. Like all other scientific theories should be only provisionally accepted since all the current competing theories cannot adequately to account for the data.
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Question about the whole NDE concept and Dr. Jeffrey Long
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 (November 17, 2016 at 6:54 am)chimp3 Wrote: I am a nurse. Once, I was assessing a patient when he was being transfered from ICU to the rehab unit. I was obtaining his personal history and getting vital signs etc. He began to tell me about his NDE. I pretended I did not hear him and asked the next question. That is how compelling the NDE experience is to me.Here's you... 
 (November 17, 2016 at 7:38 am)Alex K Wrote:(November 17, 2016 at 6:54 am)chimp3 Wrote: I am a nurse. Once, I was assessing a patient when he was being transfered from ICU to the rehab unit. I was obtaining his personal history and getting vital signs etc. He began to tell me about his NDE. I pretended I did not hear him and asked the next question. That is how compelling the NDE experience is to me. I knew there was something . . . off about my daughter. 
 (November 17, 2016 at 12:36 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Both NDE and psi research experiments produce statistically significant results - results comparable with the results of non-controversial scientific experiments. However, the implication of those results are subjected to heightened scrutiny because they challenge the assumptions of dominant materialist paradigms. In response to that scrutiny, researchers in those areas are extremely scrupulous about controls. Some studies have as many a quadruple blinds. That does not mean that the conscious survival of death is proven. Like all other scientific theories should be only provisionally accepted since all the current competing theories cannot adequately to account for the data. What is a statistically significant result in NDE research??!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
(November 17, 2016 at 10:53 am)Little Rik Wrote:(November 17, 2016 at 10:46 am)pocaracas Wrote: Riiight.... 100% off... measured by a proper fMRI scanner, huh? See my post for why this argument is invalid
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
 (November 17, 2016 at 1:42 pm)Alex K Wrote:(November 17, 2016 at 12:36 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Both NDE and psi research experiments produce statistically significant results - results comparable with the results of non-controversial scientific experiments. However, the implication of those results are subjected to heightened scrutiny because they challenge the assumptions of dominant materialist paradigms. In response to that scrutiny, researchers in those areas are extremely scrupulous about controls. Some studies have as many a quadruple blinds. That does not mean that the conscious survival of death is proven. Like all other scientific theories should be only provisionally accepted since all the current competing theories cannot adequately to account for the data. The only significant thing is that people have similar reports, seeing bright lights, having life reviews, feeling an ample amount of love (in positive NDES) and meeting spirits. There are some negative experiences too, but the majority are similar. Like you said, the explanation could be that it is biological  (November 17, 2016 at 10:53 am)Little Rik Wrote: I personally trust qualified doctors when they say that the brain is 100% off. Except that the brain is not a car engine. The brain can last up to 5 minutes without oxygen before it starts to die. It's entirely possible and logical that as parts of the brain are starved of oxygen, a feeling of euphoria and hallucinations occur.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
Well, it certainly seems to be something that works for the kinkier amongst us.....
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Quote:Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations Occam's razor. This makes more sense than all the god bullshit.  (November 17, 2016 at 1:42 pm)Alex K Wrote:(November 17, 2016 at 12:36 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Both NDE and psi research experiments produce statistically significant results - results comparable with the results of non-controversial scientific experiments. However, the implication of those results are subjected to heightened scrutiny because they challenge the assumptions of dominant materialist paradigms. In response to that scrutiny, researchers in those areas are extremely scrupulous about controls. Some studies have as many a quadruple blinds. That does not mean that the conscious survival of death is proven. Like all other scientific theories should be only provisionally accepted since all the current competing theories cannot adequately to account for the data. Zero?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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