Active Shooter Situation at Ohio State

[Mister Agenda]

The Somali and Somali Bantu community in Columbus is in a state of shock. A Somali Bantu friend of mine posted:

"Why ya'll Somalis have to do something like this? Ya'll mess up your own country and drive us out, now you come mess up over here? Stabbing innocent people? Who does that? It's a crying shame, and we'll all pay for this crime, that's how it is. There are almost 40,000 Somalis and Somali Bantus in Columbus and this one fool has undone all the trust we earned."

I compulsively corrected some spelling and punctuation. She learned English in SC (partly from me) and types the way she talks. When she says 'Somalis', she means clan Somalis, as distinguished from Somali Bantus. As a side note, a random population of 40,000 Americans would contain roughly two murderers on average.

Yeah, I think we should still let Somalian refugees come. The vast majority of them are just innocent families looking for a place to stay. I'm sure I would probably feel differently if my bro had been one of the people who got hurt, but objectively speaking, letting them in is the right thing to do regardless.  

As for your last paragraph though, not to be nit picky, but it probably isn't a good comparison. Most murders that occur here are isolated events where a man kills his wife or girlfriend or something. If we're talking about murders as in people who would go out in public and start killing random strangers in mass, the number would be much smaller I am sure.

I appreciate your position on refugees.

My comment was simplistic, I admit. We pretty much only keep count the people who actually succeed in murdering multiple people as mass murderers. There's not much of a demand for tracking 'mass attempters'. But there doesn't seem to be any evidence that the number of Muslims who have committed multiple murders in the USA is proportionately higher than for non-Muslims, though each such incident is given so much media attention it's easy to overlook that there were about a hundred multiple homicides by non-Muslims for each one by a Muslim...however, the Orlando shooter got the highest body count by far this year, so I would acknowledge that in 2016, the number of people killed per Muslim multiple murderer is higher than the average for all multiple murders in the USA combined. Working out exact percentages would take more time than I can spare; but someone else can figure it out if they really want to know.

[abaris]

What does he do with such a gift? He murders people in a terrorist attack.

Well, he didn't murder anyone. Not for a lack of trying, though.

Again, why is it worse than someone being born in that beautiful country of yours doing the same?

[Amarok]

Really so someone who would conceive of something that sick and demented dose not come off as equally deranged as someone who would commit said crime just because his isn't violent doesn't make it any less disturbing

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Um, yeah, really. Saying a mass murderer's dead body should be cut up into pieces is in no way equivalent to going out and committing mass murder on a group of innocent young people.  

If you honestly disagree with that, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

Depends on what were equivocating. I'm saying in both cases you have to be pretty fucked in the head(pardon my language)to think either is okay  (killing and huge group of people and chopping up a corpse and feeding to livestock) That literal lack of empathy (and yes we empathize with the dead if we didn't we wouldn't go to such elaborate lengths to honor them). Is why I say they both a equally deranged. Even if one is violent and the other is not

But yes of course your free to disagree

[A Theist]

Then there was the Orlando nightclub massacre, all perpetuated by radical  Islamist immigrants.

This is factually incorrect. That shooter was born here.

That might upset your xenophobic rhetoric a little, but no doubt you'll get past it. Xenophobes usually have casual relationships with facts, anyway.
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Oops... My bad. A radicalized Islamic SON of Afghan immigrants. Somehow that doesn't make the Orlando massacre seem any more acceptable.

[Amarok]

Really so someone who would conceive of something that sick and demented dose not come off as equally deranged as someone who would commit said crime just because his isn't violent doesn't make it any less disturbing

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justified  above

just because his derangement isn't murderous doesn't make it less sick

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Yes it is a bad idea

The night club massacre wasn't carried out by a immigrant he was born in united states

Lastly no vetting process will be better then the one in place there is no sensible reason to keep thousands of innocent people out

Hell with that. When we have Islamist radicals dedicated to killing Americans, stopping immigration from those countries is the safest bet for us here. You could, of course, move to one of those countries and spread your, cant we all get along, message over there.

 sigh typical

And you could always move to Switzerland if you don't like Muslim immigrants

No stopping immigration will not stop terrorism

I have lived in the middle east (Jordan then Yamen etc) the majority of people there don't give 2 shits about killing Americans there just pissed at your government horrendous foreign policies and are just as sacred of militants as we are as the majority of the people they kill are over there

[Doubting Thomas]

He used a car and a knife to attack people instead of a gun.

Notice how there's no body count for this incident?

[Amarok]

This is factually incorrect. That shooter was born here.

That might upset your xenophobic rhetoric a little, but no doubt you'll get past it. Xenophobes usually have casual relationships with facts, anyway.
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Oops... My bad. A radicalized Islamic SON of Afghan immigrants. Somehow that doesn't make the Orlando massacre seem any more acceptable.

I never said it was acceptable  so what the hells your point

[Thumpalumpacus]

Oops... My bad. A radicalized Islamic SON of Afghan immigrants. Somehow that doesn't make the Orlando massacre seem any more acceptable.

Well it's a good thing I didn't say it was more acceptable, now isn't it?

Christian dishonesty on display here: make a false statement ... when called on it, throw out a red herring and avoid the crux of the matter in order to continue bleating your mantra.

I'm almost sorry I served a country filled with people of such paltry spirit and generosity. Folks who would sell their principles this easily don't deserve the services of folks who'd sell their very lives so dearly.

I wonder what your Jesus would say about your position here?

[vorlon13]

[John V]

We had another similar incident to this latest attack here in Columbus either earlier this year or just late last year. Then there was the Orlando nightclub massacre, all perpetuated by radical  Islamist immigrants. Yeah, may not be a bad idea to stop immigration from those countries known to harbor radical islamists until we figure out a better vetting process.

RACIST! [/end liberal thought process]