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What's your thoughts on Trump?
RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
(10th January 2017, 22:43)DarkerEnergy Wrote: Trump is what happens when you have half a populace more interested in opinions that facts. The right has become so detached from reality that most of it's members can't be reasoned with. They consume vast amounts of information that is designed to mislead them, and appeal to their worst instincts. All of it's leaders are conspiracy nuts that tell their listeners not to trust any sources of traditional inquiry. People that treat Brietbart, FOX, Daily Caller, WSJ, etc, as serious sources, are just too stupid to have a conversation with - you'll drive yourself mad trying.

We are not at a point where we can ignore them now, that is the problem. Trump is far too dangerous to let it go.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
(11th January 2017, 16:14)Brian37 Wrote:
(10th January 2017, 22:43)DarkerEnergy Wrote: Trump is what happens when you have half a populace more interested in opinions that facts. The right has become so detached from reality that most of it's members can't be reasoned with. They consume vast amounts of information that is designed to mislead them, and appeal to their worst instincts. All of it's leaders are conspiracy nuts that tell their listeners not to trust any sources of traditional inquiry. People that treat Brietbart, FOX, Daily Caller, WSJ, etc, as serious sources, are just too stupid to have a conversation with - you'll drive yourself mad trying.

We are not at a point where we can ignore them now, that is the problem. Trump is far too dangerous to let it go.
I agree, I'm just saying don't bother trying to reason with the wingnuts. People that are sold on that snake-oil are going to buy it no matter what facts you have at your disposal.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
(11th January 2017, 16:06)DarkerEnergy Wrote: I'm not surprised Trump won at all - I said he would win. I've spent the last ten years arguing on a conservative forum, and I've seen how unhinged they've become. Most of them are just so detached from what is reality and horrifically uninformed about. . .   everything, they can be convinced of anything by one of the far-rights figureheads. Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Mark Levine, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity have sold millions books, get millions of viewers, and provide conservatives with places where facts don't matter - just loud opinions. It's the head of this monster call the GOP, and until we understand that their propaganda machine can and does work, the virus called neoconservativism will spread even further.

He still wouldn't have won a free and fair election. Hell, if the Republitraitors weren't so insistent on reintroducing Jim Crow he wouldn't have won under the fucked up US gerrymandered system.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
Trump is seeming to be every bit as bad I feared he'd be.

And that was very very bad indeed.
Opinions are like arseholes.
Once somethings firmly in there its very hard to dislodge.





 








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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
Well at least he has spoken against the pharmabro... maybe, just maybe there is hope yet?
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
He's every bit the secretive thin skinned hypocritical demiguage he was a year ago .And yet idiots keep telling me to give him a chance nope .He had his chance during the election he failed.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
Trump, I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

Trump not "number one" in my book.

Trump, loves all things "golden".

Trump, something to do with prostitutes pissing on him.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
(11th January 2017, 16:31)DarkerEnergy Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 16:14)Brian37 Wrote: We are not at a point where we can ignore them now, that is the problem. Trump is far too dangerous to let it go.
I agree, I'm just saying don't bother trying to reason with the wingnuts. People that are sold on that snake-oil are going to buy it no matter what facts you have at your disposal.

Again, if we were talking about them being a small mass with no influence you'd be right, but those people got Trump elected, so again, it would be nice not to have to deal with them, but their mass, was a big enough minority to push all republicans to get the Trump win.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
(13th January 2017, 14:58)Brian37 Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 16:31)DarkerEnergy Wrote: I agree, I'm just saying don't bother trying to reason with the wingnuts. People that are sold on that snake-oil are going to buy it no matter what facts you have at your disposal.

Again, if we were talking about them being a small mass with no influence you'd be right, but those people got Trump elected, so again, it would be nice not to have to deal with them, but their mass, was a big enough minority to push all republicans to get the Trump win.
As I said previously, I've talked to these fools on conservative forums and the reality is, they don't give a shit about facts. They listen to talk radio, read tabloid winger magazines, and watch FOX news round the clock. You're not going to suddenly convince them that their whole political outlook and philosophy is wrong. They weren't reasoned into their beliefs, and they won't be reasoned out of them.

You have to play their game and use emotional arguments like they were convinced by in the first place.
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RE: What's your thoughts on Trump?
(11th January 2017, 15:32)Brian37 Wrote: Did anyone else catch his vomit inducing presser today? Pulled the same fucking shit. Picked fights with the media, attacked intel, bragged about shaping up the entire world. I have never seen in my entire life such a dangerous narcissist.

And his fucking "Nazi" comment on Twitter this morning.  What the fuck would you call it when someone paints Obama as "other" for 5 years, spends a year demagoguery of entire groups of people, attacking media and intel and political rivals. That is the exact same tactic the Nazis used.

I don't know about his comment on twitter, but from your description, that's exactly how politits in Romania have been in the latest ~30 years. Demonizing the political adversary (the way how Obama and Hillary became the Devil, in your case), demonizing the people who support the other parties (e.g. people didn't take to the streets because they got pissed off on the political power, rather the other political party called them to the streets and payed them money).

And we've got several media companies who afford to say anything, even outright lies, and they're not being held responsible. And sadly, the majority of the people are loyal to those channels. I could simply call those loyalists stupid, but I also found otherwise intelligent people who fell for such bullshits. So I'd say, media manipulation really is a threat.

But hey, I know that as long as EU and NATO stands, and my country in EU, democracy in Romania will not allow politicians to send the army to put off the rioters, as it happened in Ukraine.

(11th January 2017, 15:32)DarkerEnergy Wrote: I'm not surprised Trump won at all - I said he would win. I've spent the last ten years arguing on a conservative forum, and I've seen how unhinged they've become. Most of them are just so detached from what is reality and horrifically uninformed about. . .   everything, they can be convinced of anything by one of the far-rights figureheads. Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Mark Levine, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity have sold millions books, get millions of viewers, and provide conservatives with places where facts don't matter - just loud opinions. It's the head of this monster call the GOP, and until we understand that their propaganda machine can and does work, the virus called neoconservativism will spread even further.


btw, speaking of Alex Jones, do you guys know about Paul Watshon? He's also from infowars, as Alex Jones. He's got a lot of views for his videos and 700k subscribers.

(13th January 2017, 20:52)DarkerEnergy Wrote:
(13th January 2017, 14:58)Brian37 Wrote: Again, if we were talking about them being a small mass with no influence you'd be right, but those people got Trump elected, so again, it would be nice not to have to deal with them, but their mass, was a big enough minority to push all republicans to get the Trump win.
As I said previously, I've talked to these fools on conservative forums and the reality is, they don't give a shit about facts. They listen to talk radio, read tabloid winger magazines, and watch FOX news round the clock. You're not going to suddenly convince them that their whole political outlook and philosophy is wrong. They weren't reasoned into their beliefs, and they won't be reasoned out of them.

You have to play their game and use emotional arguments like they were convinced by in the first place.

I'm not sure this is possible.

If Trump's political power will grow, I expect the media (FOX, etc.) to speak of the Democrat party as of the devil, and its supporters likely to be called anti-american, traitors to the nation, etc. In the worst case, you don't wanna be a jewish person in Nazi Germany trying to convince nazism-manipulated germans that the jewish people are actually good people - I'm not sure it would work.

The way I see it, media has almost all the power. You can speak whatever logic you want to them, they'll call you stupid and obediently believe their preferred TV channel.
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