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A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 9, 2016 at 11:09 pm
Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun.
"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed.
And why would I think that you don't?
Because you don't want any tax money going there.
That's not pro-life.
That's pro-birth.
We need a much broader conversation on what the mortality of pro-life is."
Thought? Comments?
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 9, 2016 at 11:14 pm
I agree with her 100%. I'm pro life, and that encompasses much more than just bring against abortion.
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 9, 2016 at 11:14 pm
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 10, 2016 at 5:18 am
(December 9, 2016 at 11:09 pm)Loading Please Wait Wrote: Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun.
"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed.
And why would I think that you don't?
Because you don't want any tax money going there.
That's not pro-life.
That's pro-birth.
We need a much broader conversation on what the mortality of pro-life is."
Thought? Comments?
At least it's a somewhat more nuanced view that we usually hear from the Funny Hat Society.
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 10, 2016 at 5:58 am
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I don't understand the "Because you don't want any tax money going there" statement. What the hell does "taxes" have to do with the issue?
Do nuns or the catholic church pay taxes? Oh, wait, someone else should pay. Got it!
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 10, 2016 at 6:04 am
(December 10, 2016 at 5:58 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I don't understand the "Because you don't want any tax money going there" statement. What the hell does "taxes" have to do with the issue?
Do nuns or the catholic church pay taxes? Oh, wait, someone else should pay. Got it!
I think that Sister Chittister is making the point that people who are opposed to abortion are being hypocritical when they decry government funded social aid to the poor. Not being willing for your taxes to go to people who desperately need help isn't exactly being 'pro-life'.
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 10, 2016 at 6:09 am
(December 10, 2016 at 6:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 10, 2016 at 5:58 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I don't understand the "Because you don't want any tax money going there" statement. What the hell does "taxes" have to do with the issue?
Do nuns or the catholic church pay taxes? Oh, wait, someone else should pay. Got it!
I think that Sister Chittister is making the point that people who are opposed to abortion are being hypocritical when they decry government funded social aid to the poor. Not being willing for your taxes to go to people who desperately need help isn't exactly being 'pro-life'.
Boru
And she/the church is not being hypocritical? Why should a nun or the church get any say on how/where taxes are spent?
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 10, 2016 at 6:26 am
Well, the notion that churches pay no taxes is largely a myth. The incomes of people employed by a church are taxed, incomes from church-owned properties are taxable, and churches pay VAT on most of the things they buy. Donations made to a church, however, are not taxable as income.
By way of illustration, let's say I start up the One True Church Of Boru. I'm too busy to conduct the weekly services myself, so I hire someone to do the preaching and pay him $50 000 a year. He pays taxes on that. Running a church is expensive, so I start up a bookstore and a restaurant, the income from both of which are taxable (provided they both realize a profit). I also own a small apartment building - while the income from the rents benefit the church, that income is also taxed. Ever eager to get more money, I organize a bake sale. I have to buy the flour, sugar, eggs, baking pans and so forth to make the baked goods, and all of these purchases are taxed.
At least, that's how it works here.
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 10, 2016 at 7:12 am
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RE: A Nun's Views on Abortion
December 10, 2016 at 9:23 am
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(December 10, 2016 at 6:09 am)mh.brewer Wrote: (December 10, 2016 at 6:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think that Sister Chittister is making the point that people who are opposed to abortion are being hypocritical when they decry government funded social aid to the poor. Not being willing for your taxes to go to people who desperately need help isn't exactly being 'pro-life'.
Boru
And she/the church is not being hypocritical? Why should a nun or the church get any say on how/where taxes are spent?
The catholic church gives more to tje.poor than any other organizarion.
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