what do you all see in spiritualism?

[tigerlove]

Wait, everything?  Indigestion?  A kidney stone?

oh Faith..listen to what this Christian believer has to say about a soul?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGlGu54EwUY

our soul is who we are as personality...but when we die the soul turns into a spiritual body..or does it not?

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@Tonus.great reply..you hit the nail as it should be said..as a matter of fact...
my headposting is confusing since i meant more spirituality instead of spiritualism..and they are 2 different things...as Tonus clearly explained here..
great thread..not because i started it..but more about the answers i do read and value here..thanks,peeps

I don't care what some random Christian (or some random anyone else, for that matter) says about the soul, since you're the one using the term.  I want to know how you define it.

but when we die the soul turns into a spiritual body..or does it not?

Is that a question?  Don't ask me - again it's you that's using this term in the first place, you should be able to define it if you're going to use it.

so..You put a question mark after what is a soul??give me YOUR answer...regardless of mine...
is that too much asked,my friend??I'm all ears to hear your explanation...

[robvalue]

"Soul" is a literary device. It's the essence of a person. It's not a distinct entity.

(There is no evidence to suggest that it is.)

[FatAndFaithless]

Wait, everything?  Indigestion?  A kidney stone?

I don't care what some random Christian (or some random anyone else, for that matter) says about the soul, since you're the one using the term.  I want to know how you define it.


Is that a question?  Don't ask me - again it's you that's using this term in the first place, you should be able to define it if you're going to use it.

so..You put a question mark after what is a soul??give me YOUR answer...regardless of mine...
is that too much asked,my friend??I'm all ears to hear your explanation...

I don't know how I can make this question any simpler.

What is your (tigerlove's) definition of a soul, when you use the term?

[Cyberman]

Tiger, it's not up to us to come up with a definition of what you're trying to say. You're the one talking our souls.

[brewer]

my soul is my soul,mate..I am not an alien..are you?what is your soul?
my soul consists of everything i feel in myself..everybody and everything got a soul..even trees,plants..
are you a criticaster?for your information==I can take some shit...
O.K..got it..you meant what you put in bold..can you answer that for yourself?

I don't have a soul.

[Thumpalumpacus]

It's arbitrarily assigning extra meaning to emotions and experiences. It's trying to leap-frog science by abandoning any kind of rigor and just making things up. Classic woo.

We can study ourselves perfectly well without having to imbue things with magic. We can have amazing experiences, we can meditate and send our mind to all sorts of weird places. But there's no need to make out that it's more than it is.

It need not be that at all. My sense of spirituality is the sense being humbled by the scale and grandeur of our Universe, and understanding how insignificant I am in it -- but at the same time understanding that I'm a part of the Universe too, that we are all parts of it. We're the parts that do the thinking. It's not woo, no matter your preconceived notions; that's simply a dramatic oversimplification, so far as I'm concerned.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

A question that isn't relevant for our discussion here is what it is... Without having any proper handle on how spirituality is defined, it is pointless to argue about it...

...but Alex...what is an argument?

New game! I call it 'Let's Ask Alex!' The idea is to ask Alex idiotic questions that any loon could answer.

I'll start. 'But Alex, what is a banana?'

Boru

[bennyboy]

...but Alex...what is an argument?

New game! I call it 'Let's Ask Alex!' The idea is to ask Alex idiotic questions that any loon could answer.

 I'll start. 'But Alex, what is a banana?'

Boru

Wrong question!

Obviously, a banana is God's perfect food, because it fits in the hand, and is not-- NOT!-- a phallic substitute. . . not at all.

Please resort to asking Alex only those idiotic questions which the rest of us idiots can't already answer with ease.

[robvalue]

It's arbitrarily assigning extra meaning to emotions and experiences. It's trying to leap-frog science by abandoning any kind of rigor and just making things up. Classic woo.

We can study ourselves perfectly well without having to imbue things with magic. We can have amazing experiences, we can meditate and send our mind to all sorts of weird places. But there's no need to make out that it's more than it is.

It need not be that at all. My sense of spirituality is the sense being humbled by the scale and grandeur of our Universe, and understanding how insignificant I am in it -- but at the same time understanding that I'm a part of the Universe too, that we are all parts of it. We're the parts that do the thinking. It's not woo, no matter your preconceived notions; that's simply a dramatic oversimplification, so far as I'm concerned.

Sure, but you're using it in the metaphorical sense. I totally agree. But there's a different, more common usage which is trying to stuff all kinds of mystical properties into everything. I have no problem with people using spirituality as a metaphor, as long as they're clear that this is what they are doing.

It's basically one of those elastic words which doesn't mean anything until the individual has defined it.

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Just to be clear; such usage is metaphorical because it's not talking about any actual existent human spirit. It's talking about such a thing as a way of describing the human experience. It's the only usage of the word that makes any sense to me.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Yes. I'm just trying to point out that some of us have defined it for ourselves such that it doesn't beggar reason, and therefore a sweeping generalization about woo and wooists isn't accurate.