Dear Theists....Why?

[Watson]

Okay, good for people. We're talking about Jesus, the proported Son of God, here. Perhaps He did rise from the dead, who is to say? Neither you nor me were there.

[HeyItsZeus]

Erm, why exactly must I believe that that is a fact? What authority, exactly, do you have to say something like that? And how is that evidence so much as logical argument against?

Use your common sense. Be serious to yourself. What if I told you there are flying monsters in my pants right now. You know I don't because it's impossible but you technically have no proof. The same applies here.

[Watson]

You didn't answer my questions. On whose authority are you demanding that every Christian MUST believe that Moses did what he did, and what is it you think he is said to have done that he couldn't do?

[HeyItsZeus]

Okay, good for people. We're talking about Jesus, the proported Son of God, here. Perhaps He did rise from the dead, who is to say? Neither you nor me were there.

This is what I'm talking about! Say it with me. p-e-o-p-l-e d-o--n-t r-i-s-e f-r-o-m t-h-e d-e-a-d. Who's to say? The physical limits of the human body.<<<<<<<<<<-------------- Now let's hear you deny it again.

[solja247]

I'm with Zeus. Use any and all areas of study to provide objective (there is no such thing as subjective evidence, just subjective conclusions), factual, testable, and corroborated evidence (FACTS) that support your position. No "I think" statements.

The indian analogy of truth. Four blind men touch an elaphant. On touches the elephant's leg and says, 'An elephant is like strong pillar!' The other touches the elephant's tail and says, 'An elephant is like a rope.' Another one touches the elephant's ear and says, 'An elephant is like a basket.' The other man touched the elephant's belly and talked about it differently.

All the blind men had evidence for their claim, although subjective, this is similar to our search of truth. If history is to tell us anything we shouldnt say something is X, X will most likey be changed in the future or ridiucled.

Objective evidence is what we can learn from science and history. 2 + 2 = 4 is objecitve, not absolute. The theory of evolution is objective, not absolute. The historicity of Jesus, is objective but not absolute, we all have faith, in a theory or belief, but they may be proven wrong in the future.

Absolute truth is truth we will never know about, but is absolute, simple as that. How did the universe start? something we will never understand completely. Is there a God?

Science can not be considered as absolute truth, as science is uncovereing the mysteries of the world, we have come a fair way, but we still have further to go, untill then, science is objective, but not absolute.

[HeyItsZeus]

You didn't answer my questions. On whose authority are you demanding that every Christian MUST believe that Moses did what he did, and what is it you think he is said to have done that he couldn't do?

In order to follow a religion you must follow its teachings. This is religion. The following and the believing of a set mythology. If you are Christian and you don't believe in the stories then guess what.....you only think your Christian.

[solja247]

This is what I'm talking about! Say it with me. p-e-o-p-l-e d-o--n-t r-i-s-e f-r-o-m t-h-e d-e-a-d. Who's to say? The physical limits of the human body.<<<<<<<<<<-------------- Now let's hear you deny it again.

Just like sun rotates around the Earth?

[Watson]

I do follow the teachings and understanding of Christianity and the Bible. I just understand them far better than you think you do. You claim that every Christian MUST believe that the things in the Bible happened...but in making this claim you reveal your own ignorance of the Bible, Christianity, and God Himself.

As for people don't rise from the dead, well, just because you haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it has never happened. I've seen and experienced some pretty amazing and miraculous things in my life, that make me believe itmight be possible for a human being to raise from the dead.

[HeyItsZeus]

I'm with Zeus. Use any and all areas of study to provide objective (there is no such thing as subjective evidence, just subjective conclusions), factual, testable, and corroborated evidence (FACTS) that support your position. No "I think" statements.

The indian analogy of truth. Four blind men touch an elaphant. On touches the elephant's leg and says, 'An elephant is like strong pillar!' The other touches the elephant's tail and says, 'An elephant is like a rope.' Another one touches the elephant's ear and says, 'An elephant is like a basket.' The other man touched the elephant's belly and talked about it differently.

All the blind men had evidence for their claim, although subjective, this is similar to our search of truth. If history is to tell us anything we shouldnt say something is X, X will most likey be changed in the future or ridiucled.

Objective evidence is what we can learn from science and history. 2 + 2 = 4 is objecitve, not absolute. The theory of evolution is objective, not absolute. The historicity of Jesus, is objective but not absolute, we all have faith, at that current point in time, but they may be proven wrong in the future.

Absolute truth is truth we will never know about, but is absolute, simple as that. How did the universe start? something we will never understand completely. Is there a God?

Science can not be placed as being as absolute truth, as science is uncovering the mysteries of the world, we have come a fair way, but we still have further to go,

It is good that you understand this in my opinion. But remember this: Some this we have discovered and can fully understand. For example: We are alive. You don't deny this because you know this is true. ""until then, science is objective, but not absolute."" Now to my point, some things are absolute truth already

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I do follow the teachings and understanding of Christianity and the Bible. I just understand them far better than you think you do. You claim that every Christian MUST believe that the things in the Bible happened...but in making this claim you reveal your own ignorance of the Bible, Christianity, and God Himself.

As for people don't rise from the dead, well, just because you haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it has never happened. I've seen and experienced some pretty amazing and miraculous things in my life, that make me believe itmight be possible for a human being to raise from the dead.

This is true: I have never seen a supernova but I know they exist. But again.....people DO NOT rise from the dead. It is impossible. You show your ignorance here my friend. Some things are absolutely false: no questioning that!

You are the ignorant one. In order to believe in a religion you actually do have to believe in it's teachings. That's how you follow a religion. *facepalm* Also I have studied the Bible on many occasions. That's how I lost my faith.

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Please! I need more atheists to back me up here! I'm being shot with questions and I can't answer them all. I can't be on here all day.

[solja247]

It is good that you understand this in my opinion. But remember this: Some this we have discovered and can fully understand. For example: We are alive. You don't deny this because you know this is true. ""until then, science is objective, but not absolute."" Now to my point, some things are absolute truth already

But we cant say anything absolutely. I can say my favourite food is chicken, but that is as far as absolutes go. Science, morality, theology, philosophy is continually evolving. Even the law of entropy may be proven wrong, its not absolute (Its an absolute in the observable world at the moment)

If you take this stance, then how can you say that Christianity is illogical? You cant. I cant say Atheism is illogical either.

Also, you may not be alive, you may be sleeping or in some other dimension. You do have some sought of existence but what that existence is, we will not know in this life...