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This really got to me
#51
RE: This really got to me
(28th January 2017, 10:33)Little Rik Wrote:
(27th January 2017, 11:59)Astonished Wrote: You're the only one here who's not capable of grasping...practically anything being said here, really. You are a liar and a hypocrite by telling me I don't understand how this works, and you're denigrating yourself and your faith by calling it a game, so stop doing my job for me. Atheists statistically know way more about religions and their holy texts than the actual believers and you are living proof of this. Facts are inconvenient that way, aren't they?

Anyone who isn't a deist is lying when they say they can know anything about their deity. Period. Your holy books are absolutely useless for anything, let alone giving insight into the characteristics of deities, and your spiritual experiences are natural phenomena of psychology. You're claiming to have god's phone number and giving the rest of us the finger telling us we're not good enough to deserve it. You have absolutely no conception of how condescending, arrogant and insulting that is, even if your point is that you're completely full of shit.

Free will is not in any way infringed upon by gods making themselves and their wills known to people. How is it fair to judge someone for failing to play a game by the rules when the rules are unknown? You don't have an answer for this, no religion has any answer for this, it's all excuses, and pathetic ones that make you look mentally slow when you repeat them with no further contemplation whatsoever. I made a thread about how unbelievably stupid it is to think that free will could in any way be affected negatively by having the clearest possible message from a creator and supervisor. If anything free will is only damaged by the anarchic chaos created by this contradictory and demonstrably false set of ideologies. Without full access to the information, decisions cannot be made with full consent and when you remove consent you get...well, rape comes to mind. But I doubt you can make the relatively simple mental leap there.

No creator is doing any favors to their creation by keeping them completely in the dark or letting them try to figure it out on their own, or giving the message to one or just few fallible humans who will intentionally distort or suffer from memory imperfection or have to put selective interpretation upon? I mean, that's inviting the 'power corrupts' thing to rear its ugly head, and the god of the bible is the epitome of power corrupting, hence his character as a bloodthirsty barbarian. Any action done in the name of a creator is upon the head of the creator if it leads to negative consequences and they failed to intervene and prove that such is not their will when that would literally be the only possible way to convince the person that their convictions are simply not true. Just saying that god has a get out of jail free card for being a negligent, uncaring asshole isn't an answer, and only makes you share the taint of how horrible your master is because one can never tell when you're going to start emulating them because of something you believe without a good reason and which can literally justify anything because it excludes rationality.

So instead of trying to come up with more laughable excuses for irrefutable points against your theism, how about you actually exercise some critical thinking and concede a few points? Or is the thought of being honest utterly repugnant to you? Honestly, I'm asking. I have no idea what your mental processes are like with all this nonsense spewing forth.


When I say..........not for those which the materialistic game play an important role in their lives.....
I mean anyone whose materialistic game play an important role in their lives not just atheists.
Take Trump.
He is a theist and yet he is stuck in the materialistic game.

One more thing Ast.
To know what is good or bad you don't really need to know that from God although God would be more clear regard that.
By doing certain things you feel good and by doing bad things you feel bad.
The problem is getting more complicated when a false sense of pleasure come from doing bad things
like in the case of a thief that is happy when he steal something but if you keep your reasoning under control you can't go wrong.


And last about God that suppose to keep us in the dark.
It is a natural process that plants and animals follow the instinct while humans use mainly the free will.
God act like a father that guide his kids until they grow up.
Once they grow up is up to them to work out how to live in the good or the bad.
Animals are like kids that by following the instinct follow God wishes but as soon as their consciousness grow up and they reincarnate into humans God stop pushing them to higher form of consciousness.
Now is up to them to sort out what is good that help them to climb higher or the bad that push back down into the animal life.
However if you are smart you can bypass this uncertainly by asking for help.
If you act in sincerity the teacher will show up for sure and everything will work out the right way.  Lightbulb

I don't know why I bother putting so much effort into my posts, you are either not reading them or simply not understanding a god damn thing I write.

Lumping me in with Trump, I cannot believe you don't realize how much that angers me and everyone else who hates his greedy guts. Without justification, you insult others in every way possible just because you're projecting your own lack of moral integrity, intellect and self-respect. Can you see now why it's impossible for this society to function when faith is part of the equation? It has absolutely poisoned your entire character.

According to you, god stuck us in this material world and fucked off, leaving behind very poor choices of who to communicate any messages to and look where that's gotten us. Making us with brains so flawed that it's possible to make you believe 2+2 is 5 just by telling us that when we're young even though it can be proven to be wrong right in front of our fucking faces. This is not a sign of a god who gives half a fuck about any of us. Even if it did exist, want to communicate and have a relationship with anyone, it is not a god worthy of worship, at all, and should in fact be despised for that mere fact even if we don't consider his rap sheet from the holy books he hasn't seen fit to correct.

And of fucking course we don't get our knowledge of good or bad from god, because god likes slavery, rape and human sacrifice, we should be damn grateful we don't get a sense of morality from god! And it's so obvious to even a child that people can get a false sense of what's good from things, that's why there are heroes and villains on their Saturday morning cartoons. Why even bother mentioning something so basic? Your belief is literally making you intellectually stunted to a level I could have surpassed in elementary school. I don't like knowing that my fellow human beings are keeping themselves from excelling and becoming better, or even WANTING to become better, because of this abominable delusion.

This last bit kills me. It's like the bible, completely contradicting itself over and over. We need to be kept in the dark, but he's there, although...maybe we can't be sure he's there at all. Are you even listening to yourself? Do you not at least see how someone not part of your faith could hear that and think you need medicating and psychiatric help? That is the definition of a delusion, and let's throw some narcissism and possible mild schizophrenia since you have such an elaborate false reality imagined and yet aren't capable of expressing it clearly to others. We do not have the instinct to believe, it has to be built into us by duped parents or others when we're young or otherwise have something not quite right in our psyche to latch onto these beliefs and not let go despite being proven 100% wrong.
Raj: They’re going to sell out!
Howard: What are we going to do?
Sheldon: All right, this goes against everything I stand for but desperate times call for desperate measures. Lord, this is Sheldon Cooper. You’re good friends with my mom. I know I’ve spent my life denying that you exist…
Howard: Got ‘em!
Sheldon: And I will continue to do so! - The Big Bang Theory
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#52
RE: This really got to me
(28th January 2017, 11:19)Astonished Wrote: I don't know why I bother putting so much effort into my posts, you are either not reading them or simply not understanding a god damn thing I write.[...]

Yup, that's pretty much it. You've been wasting time and effort on an irredeemable moron. He's been regurgitating the same new age nonsense for years and not once seemed to comprehend anything said to him. He's a brainwashed follower of a hindu sect, not very bright, not at all educated and totally nuts. I suggest you cut your losses, call him a dimwit hindu cultist and move on.
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#53
RE: This really got to me
(28th January 2017, 11:54)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(28th January 2017, 11:19)Astonished Wrote: I don't know why I bother putting so much effort into my posts, you are either not reading them or simply not understanding a god damn thing I write.[...]

Yup, that's pretty much it. You've been wasting time and effort on an irredeemable moron. He's been regurgitating the same new age nonsense for years and not once seemed to comprehend anything said to him. He's a brainwashed follower of a hindu sect, not very bright, not at all educated and totally nuts. I suggest you cut your losses, call him a dimwit hindu cultist and move on.

Well you've already gone and done that, so thanks for spoiling it for me. LOL.
Raj: They’re going to sell out!
Howard: What are we going to do?
Sheldon: All right, this goes against everything I stand for but desperate times call for desperate measures. Lord, this is Sheldon Cooper. You’re good friends with my mom. I know I’ve spent my life denying that you exist…
Howard: Got ‘em!
Sheldon: And I will continue to do so! - The Big Bang Theory
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#54
RE: This really got to me
(28th January 2017, 11:19)Astonished Wrote:
(28th January 2017, 10:33)Little Rik Wrote: When I say..........not for those which the materialistic game play an important role in their lives.....
I mean anyone whose materialistic game play an important role in their lives not just atheists.
Take Trump.
He is a theist and yet he is stuck in the materialistic game.

One more thing Ast.
To know what is good or bad you don't really need to know that from God although God would be more clear regard that.
By doing certain things you feel good and by doing bad things you feel bad.
The problem is getting more complicated when a false sense of pleasure come from doing bad things
like in the case of a thief that is happy when he steal something but if you keep your reasoning under control you can't go wrong.


And last about God that suppose to keep us in the dark.
It is a natural process that plants and animals follow the instinct while humans use mainly the free will.
God act like a father that guide his kids until they grow up.
Once they grow up is up to them to work out how to live in the good or the bad.
Animals are like kids that by following the instinct follow God wishes but as soon as their consciousness grow up and they reincarnate into humans God stop pushing them to higher form of consciousness.
Now is up to them to sort out what is good that help them to climb higher or the bad that push back down into the animal life.
However if you are smart you can bypass this uncertainly by asking for help.
If you act in sincerity the teacher will show up for sure and everything will work out the right way.  Lightbulb

I don't know why I bother putting so much effort into my posts, you are either not reading them or simply not understanding a god damn thing I write.

Lumping me in with Trump, I cannot believe you don't realize how much that angers me and everyone else who hates his greedy guts. Without justification, you insult others in every way possible just because you're projecting your own lack of moral integrity, intellect and self-respect. Can you see now why it's impossible for this society to function when faith is part of the equation? It has absolutely poisoned your entire character.

According to you, god stuck us in this material world and fucked off, leaving behind very poor choices of who to communicate any messages to and look where that's gotten us. Making us with brains so flawed that it's possible to make you believe 2+2 is 5 just by telling us that when we're young even though it can be proven to be wrong right in front of our fucking faces. This is not a sign of a god who gives half a fuck about any of us. Even if it did exist, want to communicate and have a relationship with anyone, it is not a god worthy of worship, at all, and should in fact be despised for that mere fact even if we don't consider his rap sheet from the holy books he hasn't seen fit to correct.

And of fucking course we don't get our knowledge of good or bad from god, because god likes slavery, rape and human sacrifice, we should be damn grateful we don't get a sense of morality from god! And it's so obvious to even a child that people can get a false sense of what's good from things, that's why there are heroes and villains on their Saturday morning cartoons. Why even bother mentioning something so basic? Your belief is literally making you intellectually stunted to a level I could have surpassed in elementary school. I don't like knowing that my fellow human beings are keeping themselves from excelling and becoming better, or even WANTING to become better, because of this abominable delusion.

This last bit kills me. It's like the bible, completely contradicting itself over and over. We need to be kept in the dark, but he's there, although...maybe we can't be sure he's there at all. Are you even listening to yourself? Do you not at least see how someone not part of your faith could hear that and think you need medicating and psychiatric help? That is the definition of a delusion, and let's throw some narcissism and possible mild schizophrenia since you have such an elaborate false reality imagined and yet aren't capable of expressing it clearly to others. We do not have the instinct to believe, it has to be built into us by duped parents or others when we're young or otherwise have something not quite right in our psyche to latch onto these beliefs and not let go despite being proven 100% wrong.


When you write something Ast you should use both voices not just the one coming from your heart.
If you also use the voice coming from your brain you would write something a lot more interesting.

Put in this way Ast.
You are a father.
Your kids have grown up.
They left home.
Do you really think that you can tell them what to do or not to do?
God act in the same way.
He gave them the free will then is up to them to sort out what to do and if they are smart they will try to go back to their father asking for advise.

You never thought of that Ast, did you?  Bird
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RE: This really got to me
Big Grin Do these religious people believe it's possible to obey what's commanded in The Bible or not ?
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