Theists who speak with God

[Whateverist]

Do you know what seperates Hearing voices and hearing spoken words, or even organized and disorganized speech?

Content and context.

If the content is proven accurate and the context is and always remains accurate then how can one dismiss what is said?

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

My bold in Drich's quote.

Then you can dismiss it.

[Cato]

People that think God speaks to them are loony.

[Godscreated]

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Did I say they were in my head, no, I said my spirit, that part of man that God created so we could know Him.

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How would I go about enabling this part of me (I suppose all humans are born with it, right?) to experience this communication with this god? Is it at all possible that some do not have it?

Come to accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord. Afterwards you devote yourself to knowing Him. Everyone is born with a spirit, however the spirit is intended for knowing God so in many it goes unused

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My wife and I care for a beautiful young lady, you could say we've adopted her and that means the problems she has also. When she was born, very premature, she weighed 3lbs. and very mentally challenged, at the age of 30 she she developed schizophrenia, can you even imagine what her 5 year old mind was going through. Then she was institutionalized 400 miles away from home and anyone she knew, now what do you think her mind was going through. Well I can tell you it was about as awful as things could get, we've been dealing with this for three years now and she is doing so much better. People who knew her before she came to us say, they can't believe she's the same girl they knew. So yes I know all about schizophrenia and the effect it has on people. Now you can take your diagnosis and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.

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A wonderful act.

Made possible by God, His work covered many years to make this possible. I thank Him daily for her.

[quher.

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I'm completely sane and a fairly smart person and know and understand my experiences. In actuality I feel sorry for you because you've never experienced anything from the Creator of the universe.

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Does everyone that claims to have experienced something from the creator, actually have experienced something from the creator? Or are there some percentage of those who claim they have experienced something from the creator, who have not? Like they may misinterpret some other natural brain state, have a transient hallucinatory state not related to a diagnosable mental illness, or actually have a mental illness that causes them to believe they experienced something from the creator, for example.

Question 1 No
Question 2 Yes there are those who would and do deceive for various reasons, listen to the "money preachers" on TV, they put in just enough about salvation to get peoples attention, they then go on with their sales pitch that starts out, I've had a word from the Lord.
Question 3 Yes I'm sure of this also, people who claim God told them to kill someone or burn down a building and ect.
When people say they have heard from the Lord and it doesn't line up with the scriptures then they are delusional, mistaken or ect. God speaks to people to further his work through them and possibly to let them know He is listening to them.

GC

[downbeatplumb]

I hear Robvalue's voice in my head all of the time. 

Is there something wrong with me?

No, he's behind you.

Whispering in your ear.

[robvalue]

Religion is all about listening to the right voice in your head. If you kill a load of women and children based on the wrong voice, you're just a regular murderer rather than a hero.

Seriously, come on. God is not talking to you, people. If he really is, why can't you all agree on the most basic points of what he wants? You can't even agree on what is the correct religion FFS! If 100 people all asked me what my favorite colour is, they'd get the same answer, you know?

[Simon Moon]

How would I go about enabling this part of me (I suppose all humans are born with it, right?) to experience this communication with this god? Is it at all possible that some do not have it?

Come to accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord. Afterwards you devote yourself to knowing Him. Everyone is born with a spirit, however the spirit is intended for knowing God so in many it goes unused

For me to do the above, as you suggest, I would first have to be convinced of the proposition that a god exists, and it is your specific god. I can not be convinced of a proposition until I am presented with a reason to do so, ie: demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic to support said proposition, So far, nothing I have ever been presented with for the existence of a god meets my criteria to accept it.

So, how am I supposed to 'accept Jesus as my Savior and Lord' before being convinced of his existence? My mind does not work that way. Why would a god create me with a brain, that is incapable of believing he exists, without first providing me with what he would already know, I require to believe?

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My wife and I care for a beautiful young lady, you could say we've adopted her and that means the problems she has also. When she was born, very premature, she weighed 3lbs. and very mentally challenged, at the age of 30 she she developed schizophrenia, can you even imagine what her 5 year old mind was going through. Then she was institutionalized 400 miles away from home and anyone she knew, now what do you think her mind was going through. Well I can tell you it was about as awful as things could get, we've been dealing with this for three years now and she is doing so much better. People who knew her before she came to us say, they can't believe she's the same girl they knew. So yes I know all about schizophrenia and the effect it has on people. Now you can take your diagnosis and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.

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A wonderful act.

Made possible by God, His work covered many years to make this possible. I thank Him daily for her.

So, no atheist ever has done anything similar? Seriously...

I'm completely sane and a fairly smart person and know and understand my experiences. In actuality I feel sorry for you because you've never experienced anything from the Creator of the universe.[/hide]

Does everyone that claims to have experienced something from the creator, actually have experienced something from the creator? Or are there some percentage of those who claim they have experienced something from the creator, who have not? Like they may misinterpret some other natural brain state, have a transient hallucinatory state not related to a diagnosable mental illness, or actually have a mental illness that causes them to believe they experienced something from the creator, for example.

Question 1 No
Question 2 Yes there are those who would and do deceive for various reasons, listen to the "money preachers" on TV, they put in just enough about salvation to get peoples attention, they then go on with their sales pitch that starts out, I've had a word from the Lord.

Is that the only way possible, in your mind, for someone to claim to have experienced something from the creator? To be  purposefully dishonest in order to profit?

Do you think that there is anyone that sincerely believes they have had an experience with the creator, who is not out to profit, who has been as charitable as you have been with the young lady you mention in your story, that actually did not have an experience with the creator?

Question 3 Yes I'm sure of this also, people who claim God told them to kill someone or burn down a building and ect.
When people say they have heard from the Lord and it doesn't line up with the scriptures then they are delusional, mistaken or ect. God speaks to people to further his work through them and possibly to let them know He is listening to them.

So, are you saying that every person who claims to have 'heard from the Lord', but the message has been one that 'lines up with scripture', every one of them has 'heard from the lord'?

Do you believe that it is possible for someone to be delusional when they claim to have 'heard from the Lord', do good deeds that align with scriptures, but have not truly 'heard from the Lord'?

[Tonus]

I was just wondering, when a theist communicates with God, is there any etiquette which needs to be followed.

It depends on the religion in question, I suspect that most allow that if you are sincere it doesn't really matter how you approach god.

But I think that prayer 'works' by talking at god and then interpreting your results to fit the expectation that god will answer:

1- If you get what you asked for, god answered the prayer by giving you what you asked for.
2- If you do not get what you asked for, god answered the prayer by withholding what you asked for.
3- If nothing happened, god is waiting for the right moment before answering your prayer.
4- And so on and so forth. Whatever happens is what god willed, therefore your prayer was answered.

[Godscreated]

[quote='Godschild' pid='1482793' dateline='1483766703']

Come to accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord. Afterwards you devote yourself to knowing Him. Everyone is born with a spirit, however the spirit is intended for knowing God so in many it goes unused

For me to do the above, as you suggest, I would first have to be convinced of the proposition that a god exists, and it is your specific god. I can not be convinced of a proposition until I am presented with a reason to do so, ie: demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic to support said proposition, So far, nothing I have ever been presented with for the existence of a god meets my criteria to accept it.

You can't come to belief in God on your own terms, it is His kingdom He invites you into and in that His requirements are the ones that count. The reason, an awesome eternal life in the kingdom of God. This alone as I see it should be enough to at least to search Him out.

So, how am I supposed to 'accept Jesus as my Savior and Lord' before being convinced of his existence? My mind does not work that way. Why would a god create me with a brain, that is incapable of believing he exists, without first providing me with what he would already know, I require to believe?

Like I said your requirements are not what God works with, nor your brain. I've posted before that God has given us a spirit with which He works with and it's up to you to open up your spirit to know His calling to Him. What God knows about you is more than you know about yourself, He knows when a person hardens their heart (spirit) to Him, you're only fooling yourself if you think you can fool God.

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My wife and I care for a beautiful young lady, you could say we've adopted her and that means the problems she has also. When she was born, very premature, she weighed 3lbs. and very mentally challenged, at the age of 30 she she developed schizophrenia, can you even imagine what her 5 year old mind was going through. Then she was institutionalized 400 miles away from home and anyone she knew, now what do you think her mind was going through. Well I can tell you it was about as awful as things could get, we've been dealing with this for three years now and she is doing so much better. People who knew her before she came to us say, they can't believe she's the same girl they knew. So yes I know all about schizophrenia and the effect it has on people. Now you can take your diagnosis and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.

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A wonderful act.

Made possible by God, His work covered many years to make this possible. I thank Him daily for her.

So, no atheist ever has done anything similar? Seriously...

I did not come close to saying that and I think you know this. Just encase I'll explain, the thing I said was about my wife mostly but also myself. My wife in the medical field and both of us handling young people, we never had children of our own. Also God had to put events into motion for us to have her to come into our lives and too know her.

I'm completely sane and a fairly smart person and know and understand my experiences. In actuality I feel sorry for you because you've never experienced anything from the Creator of the universe.[/hide]

Does everyone that claims to have experienced something from the creator, actually have experienced something from the creator?

No, some pretend for whatever reason they have and others mistaken for whatever reason, the experience has to match up to the Bible's teachings.

Or are there some percentage of those who claim they have experienced something from the creator, who have not? Like they may misinterpret some other natural brain state, have a transient hallucinatory state not related to a diagnosable mental illness, or actually have a mental illness that causes them to believe they experienced something from the creator, for example.

Misinterpret some natural brain state, I don't know. Mental illness yes, those who would do horrific things to others in this day and time must be mentally ill God would not ask that of them. God can and does work with the mentally ill I've personally witnessed this with our girl.

Question 1 No
Question 2 Yes there are those who would and do deceive for various reasons, listen to the "money preachers" on TV, they put in just enough about salvation to get peoples attention, they then go on with their sales pitch that starts out, I've had a word from the Lord.

Is that the only way possible, in your mind, for someone to claim to have experienced something from the creator? To be  purposefully dishonest in order to profit?

No and I did not insinuate that. People who use God for personal gain IMO haven't heard from God, God doesn't work in this kind of deception, it's lies and God doesn't lie.

Do you think that there is anyone that sincerely believes they have had an experience with the creator, who is not out to profit, who has been as charitable as you have been with the young lady you mention in your story, that actually did not have an experience with the creator?

I'm not sure what you sure trying to say in your above question, you start it with some having an experience and then you end it with the same not having an experience, would you please restate the question so I can answer it.

Question 3 Yes I'm sure of this also, people who claim God told them to kill someone or burn down a building and ect.
When people say they have heard from the Lord and it doesn't line up with the scriptures then they are delusional, mistaken or ect. God speaks to people to further his work through them and possibly to let them know He is listening to them.

So, are you saying that every person who claims to have 'heard from the Lord', but the message has been one that 'lines up with scripture', every one of them has 'heard from the lord'?

In time God will show our true intents and nature, those who try to use God as a deception for those things outside His will will meet with His judgment sooner or later. There are many people who have no regard for God and will use Him for their own purpose and will suffer the consequences at some time, God's judgment is never denied. God can and does use their own deception to work His plan in whatever way He finds right and just.

Do you believe that it is possible for someone to be delusional when they claim to have 'heard from the Lord', do good deeds that align with scriptures, but have not truly 'heard from the Lord'?

I guess it's possible but not likely, God want allow deception delusional or otherwise if it would deceive someone from accepting Christ as savior.

GC

[Edwardo Piet]

I've asked before for some actual stuff God has told people. Something the person didn't already know, or couldn't easily find out. So far, nothing.

Also if you ask the God in the person's head to do a bunch of complicated mathematical sums God will get the answers wrong just as often. Sometimes He may even ask for a calculator.

Funny how God is exactly as crap at math as the person whose head He is inside of, ain't it?

[ignoramus]

Hammy, that's why god gave us arms! To write the fucking answers on before going into the exam.