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Poll: How you work that out?
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My religion represent God
3.70%
1 3.70%
I take from what religions say
0%
0 0%
No religion represent God
25.93%
7 25.93%
I wouldn't know
11.11%
3 11.11%
I am not interested
18.52%
5 18.52%
I have no other way to know so I just write what religions say
0%
0 0%
Nah.
40.74%
11 40.74%
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Do religions represent God?
RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 19, 2017 at 8:41 am)Little Rik Wrote: Not at all Ton.
Are you sure? You talk about 'opening the soul to any possibility' which sounds suspiciously like code for "become as gullible as you can."

A god that requires anything from me before it reveals itself is either playing games or incompetent or held in check by a much more powerful being. He doesn't need for me to be ready, he just needs to show up.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 21, 2017 at 9:53 am)Tonus Wrote:
(January 19, 2017 at 8:41 am)Little Rik Wrote: Not at all Ton.
Are you sure?  You talk about 'opening the soul to any possibility' which sounds suspiciously like code for "become as gullible as you can."

A god that requires anything from me before it reveals itself is either playing games or incompetent or held in check by a much more powerful being.  He doesn't need for me to be ready, he just needs to show up


It also work around free will Ton.
Free will means that God doesn't interfere with people choices that is why He is waiting also for people to be ready for the teachings.
And to be ready require that your main motivation are spiritual rather than materialistic.
To get spiritual motivation is very easy for the smart and very very difficult for the fool that thinks that
the physical-material world can solve the main human problem.  Lightbulb
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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 15, 2017 at 9:16 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(January 15, 2017 at 7:05 am)Tonus Wrote: It's almost as if you're describing all of your previous posts.

Do you have a parody to show how foolish it is to believe that the universe had to be created, but the creator didn't?

If I claim that god does not exist, can you demonstrate that I am wrong?  Or does disproving a negative only count when you demand it?

If you can't account for god the way you account for the universe, it seems as if you're the one stuck in a building full of fantasies.

You didn't think of that, did you Rik?  Hedgehog  Dog Bone  Skunk  Blond Moment


Fool.   Banging Head On Desk

Have you ever seen money coming in your pocket as per magic?
Have you ever found someone who gave you a house for free?
Have you ever seen the sun going west to east?
Have you ever seen people that don't fall down when they jump from a tall building?
Have you ever seen an army without any commander?
Have you ever seen a baby born as per magic without any parents?

Get real Ton.
Behind any happening there got to be a reason and a creator.
If you believe that things happen as per magic and that they control themselves then you are a fool.
And if you try to create excuse for that then you are a double fool.  Banging Head On Desk  Banghead  Banging Head On Desk

If you could survive being on the surface of Venus and could see the Sun it would rise in the West and set in the East when you face South.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 23, 2017 at 4:50 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(January 15, 2017 at 9:16 am)Little Rik Wrote: Fool.   Banging Head On Desk

Have you ever seen money coming in your pocket as per magic?
Have you ever found someone who gave you a house for free?
Have you ever seen the sun going west to east?
Have you ever seen people that don't fall down when they jump from a tall building?
Have you ever seen an army without any commander?
Have you ever seen a baby born as per magic without any parents?

Get real Ton.
Behind any happening there got to be a reason and a creator.
If you believe that things happen as per magic and that they control themselves then you are a fool.
And if you try to create excuse for that then you are a double fool.  Banging Head On Desk  Banghead  Banging Head On Desk

If you could survive being on the surface of Venus and could see the Sun it would rise in the West and set in the East when you face South.


Gee, I never thought of that mate.  Panic

I will consider you for a special kudos.  Indubitably

Oh by the way considering that you are very intelligent can you please tell me how to solve this problem?  Lightbulb

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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 22, 2017 at 11:19 am)Little Rik Wrote: It also work around free will Ton.
Free will means that God doesn't interfere with people choices that is why He is waiting also for people to be ready for the teachings.

Two things:

1- This flies in the face of the claims that it's possible --or even obvious-- to know that God exists because of such-and-such evidence.

2- This otherwise means that God wants me to make an uninformed decision --in which I am missing the most critical piece of data-- on a matter of eternal importance.

So God is either a doofus or a douchebag. It's not much of a choice, honestly.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 23, 2017 at 9:12 am)Tonus Wrote:
(January 22, 2017 at 11:19 am)Little Rik Wrote: It also work around free will Ton.
Free will means that God doesn't interfere with people choices that is why He is waiting also for people to be ready for the teachings.

Two things:

1- This flies in the face of the claims that it's possible --or even obvious-- to know that God exists because of such-and-such evidence.

2- This otherwise means that God wants me to make an uninformed decision --in which I am missing the most critical piece of data-- on a matter of eternal importance.

So God is either a doofus or a douchebag.  It's not much of a choice, honestly.


Actually I already did explained to you how the system works but you didn't get it. Banging Head On Desk
Yoga is not a religion that tell you that you should believe in God unquestioned or else.
Most of the people who get to know God away from religions follow this routine.
First they are like everybody else that float in the big sea of materialism.
After sometime when they realize that they are getting nowhere they ask themselves whether there is
something else in order to get out that vicious circle that only waste their body and mind's energy for nothing.
Here is where the sincere people get to know a system that will eventually lead to know God.
This is yoga and by practicing yoga you come to understand how the whole system works.
There are also other ways to know God but the most practical is yoga.

Why would you want any evidence that God exist well before you went through this routine?
If you still like the materialistic game and if you think that such a game will lead you to happiness then
is impossible to pretend that something else will instead lead you to peace of mind and happiness.  Lightbulb


You never thought of that Ton, did you?  Bird
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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 24, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(January 23, 2017 at 9:12 am)Tonus Wrote: Two things:

1- This flies in the face of the claims that it's possible --or even obvious-- to know that God exists because of such-and-such evidence.

2- This otherwise means that God wants me to make an uninformed decision --in which I am missing the most critical piece of data-- on a matter of eternal importance.

So God is either a doofus or a douchebag.  It's not much of a choice, honestly.


Actually I already did explained to you how the system works but you didn't get it.  Banging Head On Desk
Yoga is not a religion that tell you that you should believe in God unquestioned or else.
Most of the people who get to know God away from religions follow this routine.

And how do you know that most of the people who get to know God away from religion follow this routine? Have you polled all the people that know God?

(January 24, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: First they are like everybody else that float in the big sea of materialism.
After sometime when they realize that they are getting nowhere they ask themselves whether there is
something else in order to get out that vicious circle that only waste their body and mind's energy for nothing.
Here is where the sincere people get to know a system that will eventually lead to know God.
This is yoga and by practicing yoga you come to understand how the whole system works.
There are also other ways to know God but the most practical is yoga.

In other words, a religion. You can dress it up with a bunch of flowery words about theory versus practice, it's still a religion.

[Image: religion2.jpg]





Nothing religious here!
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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 23, 2017 at 5:49 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(January 23, 2017 at 4:50 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If you could survive being on the surface of Venus and could see the Sun it would rise in the West and set in the East when you face South.


Gee, I never thought of that mate.  Panic

I will consider you for a special kudos.  Indubitably

Oh by the way considering that you are very intelligent can you please tell me how to solve this problem?  Lightbulb

[Image: donkey-and-cart-funny-fail-600x330.jpg]
Unload the cart, unhitch the donkey, and move the wheel axle back about a foot or so.  Then reload the cart and hitch up the donkey and away you go.  

Hook the cart up to a very large elephant.

Call Fedex.
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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 24, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: Actually I already did explained to you how the system works but you didn't get it.

Because it doesn't make sense.

Quote:Why would you want any evidence that God exist well before you went through this routine?

If it's evidence, it would be there for me to find regardless of my mental state. You don't seem to understand what evidence is.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: Do religions represent God?
(January 25, 2017 at 7:25 am)Tonus Wrote:
(January 24, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: Actually I already did explained to you how the system works but you didn't get it.

Because it doesn't make sense.

Quote:Why would you want any evidence that God exist well before you went through this routine?

If it's evidence, it would be there for me to find regardless of my mental state.  You don't seem to understand what evidence is.


The problem Ton is not whether I understand or not what evidence is.
I know very well what evidence is.
It is rather you that do not understand why evidence is not given to anyone who can't hold such evidence.
Suppose a gambler win a million.
How long you think it will take before the gambler will dilapidated that million?
Not only that but by giving a million to a gambler that will lead to more addiction and to more mental
sickness.
Now suppose that a university professor goes to the kindergarten to teach 4 or 5 years old pupils.
What a waste that would be.
First these pupils wouldn't understand a thing and second they may well interpret the teachings in the wrong way as their brains is not yet strong enough to understand the correct way so it all would be
counterproductive and dangerous.
The same logic apply to non believers that all of a sudden would get the evidence that God exist.
Very few would make good use of that but for most of them it would turn into a disaster.
God tend to forgive those who float in the ocean of materialism because they are yet blind but it is unlikely that he may forget those who know the truth and yet they behave like fools that still wish to float in that ocean of materialism.  Lightbulb

(January 25, 2017 at 2:17 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(January 23, 2017 at 5:49 am)Little Rik Wrote: Gee, I never thought of that mate.  Panic

I will consider you for a special kudos.  Indubitably

Oh by the way considering that you are very intelligent can you please tell me how to solve this problem?  Lightbulb

[Image: donkey-and-cart-funny-fail-600x330.jpg]
Unload the cart, unhitch the donkey, and move the wheel axle back about a foot or so.  Then reload the cart and hitch up the donkey and away you go.  

Hook the cart up to a very large elephant.
Call Fedex.


Not a bad idea Wyrd.
I move forward the practice for one of my special and rare kudos to you.
Are you excited about that?  Bird

(January 24, 2017 at 6:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(January 24, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: Actually I already did explained to you how the system works but you didn't get it.  Banging Head On Desk
Yoga is not a religion that tell you that you should believe in God unquestioned or else.
Most of the people who get to know God away from religions follow this routine.

And how do you know that most of the people who get to know God away from religion follow this routine?  Have you polled all the people that know God?

(January 24, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: First they are like everybody else that float in the big sea of materialism.
After sometime when they realize that they are getting nowhere they ask themselves whether there is
something else in order to get out that vicious circle that only waste their body and mind's energy for nothing.
Here is where the sincere people get to know a system that will eventually lead to know God.
This is yoga and by practicing yoga you come to understand how the whole system works.
There are also other ways to know God but the most practical is yoga.

In other words, a religion.  You can dress it up with a bunch of flowery words about theory versus practice, it's still a religion.

[Image: religion2.jpg]





Nothing religious here!


Wrong once again yog.  Banging Head On Desk

Religions worship an external entity and pray this entity for their daily bread.
Yoga does the opposite.
Yoga is an INTERNAL effort to bring the hidden spirit from the lower point along the spinal cord to the highest point up into the pineal gland.
Religions have no idea of whatsoever how the system to reach God works.
Yoga is all about internal struggle.
By asking God for the daily bread you imply that God is an idiot that doesn't know that you need bread.
Religions just don't get it so to compare religions with yoga is just a demented idea that only idiots can make.  Lightbulb


By the way the Kahoshikii dance is not a prayer to God.
It is an exercise to allow the spinal cord to be flexible as much as possible.
That help to stay healthy and to perform a better meditation.  Lightbulb
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