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Dylann Roof sentenced to death
#51
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 14:47)abaris Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 14:43)mlmooney89 Wrote: Lesson learned? Don't kill if you don't want to die.

No, lesson not learned. Lesson learned would be if it had any positive effect on society or the next guy going on a killing spree. But that doesn't happen as every available statistic - ever - shows.

I was being facetious. Dodgy
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#52
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
Here's something I don't understand. If we have state sanctioned killing for people who have killed, why don't we have state sanctioned rape for people who have raped? I mean, really. What's the difference?
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#53
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 14:59)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Here's something I don't understand. If we have state sanctioned killing for people who have killed, why don't we have state sanctioned rape for people who have raped? I mean, really. What's the difference?

Let the right rise to a one party state that could happen.

In some parts of the world they do do that, mob rule for most crimes, but also not parts of the world any compassionate person would want to live in. 

How about no death penalty? We are one of the few western industrialized nations that still has it.
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#54
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 14:59)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Here's something I don't understand. If we have state sanctioned killing for people who have killed, why don't we have state sanctioned rape for people who have raped? I mean, really. What's the difference?

Because I have healed from being raped. I have healed and moved on. You can't really heal from death. Those killed don't get their life back. They don't even get the chance to try to be a better person, they don't get letters from loved ones, they don't get to go to a library and read, they don't get to buy noodles from the commissary, they don't get to see the fame they have created for themselves. If the victim can't move on then the one doing the damage shouldn't either.
“What screws us up the most in life is the picture in our head of what it's supposed to be.”

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#55
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
I agree, Brian. I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of the DP and the fact that we don't use the same logic in any other circumstance. Except killing.

(11th January 2017, 15:05)mlmooney89 Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 14:59)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Here's something I don't understand. If we have state sanctioned killing for people who have killed, why don't we have state sanctioned rape for people who have raped? I mean, really. What's the difference?

Because I have healed from being raped. I have healed and moved on. You can't really heal from death. Those killed don't get their life back. They don't even get the chance to try to be a better person, they don't get letters from loved ones, they don't get to go to a library and read, they don't get to buy noodles from the commissary, they don't get to see the fame they have created for themselves. If the victim can't move on then the one doing the damage shouldn't either.

Ok, so the rapist can also be healed from being raped. 

(btw, I am so sorry that that happened to you. That is truly awful.  Sad )
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#56
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 15:05)mlmooney89 Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 14:59)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Here's something I don't understand. If we have state sanctioned killing for people who have killed, why don't we have state sanctioned rape for people who have raped? I mean, really. What's the difference?

Because I have healed from being raped. I have healed and moved on. You can't really heal from death. Those killed don't get their life back. They don't even get the chance to try to be a better person, they don't get letters from loved ones, they don't get to go to a library and read, they don't get to buy noodles from the commissary, they don't get to see the fame they have created for themselves. If the victim can't move on then the one doing the damage shouldn't either.

Do you think it's good to base a justice system on an emotion-based "eye for an eye" type of deal?
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#57
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(10th January 2017, 23:17)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see what the advantage is to killing him. He's already behind bars where he is no longer a threat to society.
I remember when this happened. He walked into a church during a prayer meeting with the determination to murder black people. What made this even worse was the fact that they happily welcomed him to join them. He murdered them in cold blood and without remorse. At his trial he still showed no remorse. I think the death penalty for him was just.

(11th January 2017, 14:47)abaris Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 14:43)mlmooney89 Wrote: Lesson learned? Don't kill if you don't want to die.

No, lesson not learned. Lesson learned would be if it had any positive effect on society or the next guy going on a killing spree....
No. It's not about a lesson learned. It's about the penalty. A life for a life for a remorseless murderer.
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#58
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 15:23)FatAndFaithless Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 15:05)mlmooney89 Wrote: Because I have healed from being raped. I have healed and moved on. You can't really heal from death. Those killed don't get their life back. They don't even get the chance to try to be a better person, they don't get letters from loved ones, they don't get to go to a library and read, they don't get to buy noodles from the commissary, they don't get to see the fame they have created for themselves. If the victim can't move on then the one doing the damage shouldn't either.

Do you think it's good to base a justice system on an emotion-based "eye for an eye" type of deal?

Let's see, I'm for the death penalty so yes. I think I have already made it very clear that when it comes to cold blooded murder I don't think anything short of death is acceptable. For anything less than murder no. I'm not saying rape those that rape or torture someone that tortures animals. This is only about intentional murder.

(11th January 2017, 15:06)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 15:05)mlmooney89 Wrote: Because I have healed from being raped. I have healed and moved on. You can't really heal from death. Those killed don't get their life back. They don't even get the chance to try to be a better person, they don't get letters from loved ones, they don't get to go to a library and read, they don't get to buy noodles from the commissary, they don't get to see the fame they have created for themselves. If the victim can't move on then the one doing the damage shouldn't either.

Ok, so the rapist can also be healed from being raped. 

(btw, I am so sorry that that happened to you. That is truly awful.  Sad )

No that's not what I said. If it sounded like that I apologize for not wording it correctly. As long as the victim can move on with their life then jail is sufficient. If the victim can have a chance at a life then the attacker/rapist/etc should have a chance at moving past what they did. If their victim's life was stopped I honestly don't understand how anyone can accept the person that did the killing could continue theirs.
“What screws us up the most in life is the picture in our head of what it's supposed to be.”

Also if your signature makes my scrolling mess up "you're tacky and I hate you."
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#59
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 13:57)Jesster Wrote: The way I see it, the world won't improve at all just because this guy is punished further. Locking him away will stop the world from getting worse on account of his actions, but I don't see what anything beyond that will do.

QFT.
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#60
RE: Dylann Roof sentenced to death
(11th January 2017, 16:13)mlmooney89 Wrote:
(11th January 2017, 15:23)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Do you think it's good to base a justice system on an emotion-based "eye for an eye" type of deal?

Let's see, I'm for the death penalty so yes. I think I have already made it very clear that when it comes to cold blooded murder I don't think anything short of death is acceptable. For anything less than murder no. I'm not saying rape those that rape or torture someone that tortures animals. This is only about intentional murder.

Why should murderers be killed themselves?  What purpose does it serve other than making an emotional, vengeful point?  I wouldn't want to live in a system that bases it's law on emotion and revenge.  

That's not even considering the facts that the death penalty does not work as a deterrent, has the possibility of executing innocent people, is a horrible violation of human rights, is slow, inefficient, and expensive, and that we are the only western developed nation to still use it.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
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