12 Unbelievably Bad Marketers in Jerusalem

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Oh yes, the three thousand figure is found in Acts 2:41. 

Based on my readings of the Bible and the Jewish Babylonian Talmud I tend to discount the accuracy of any of their numbers about everything.  They tend to lie.

How is it you know they lie when it comes to numbers, if the rest isn't lies then why would they lie about the numbers. I'm sure you understand we are discussing spiritual matters and within that there are miracles to be accounted for.

GC

How about that million man Ethiopian army that went to Judea to get killed?

[Godscreated]

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How is it you know they lie when it comes to numbers, if the rest isn't lies then why would they lie about the numbers. I'm sure you understand we are discussing spiritual matters and within that there are miracles to be accounted for.

GC

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How about that million man Ethiopian army that went to Judea to get killed?

I do not think this army went to be destroyed. As for an Ethiopian army of one million, that's not what the Bible says, you stopped short of reading about Asa's entire reign. The seer Hanani asked Asa why he didn't rely on the LORD as he did when he faced the army made up of Ethiopians and Lubims (ie Libyans). During those times history tell of armies joining together to defeat Egypt. Shishak with his Ethiopian army was joined by the Lubim army to defeat Egypt and Shishak became the first black Egyptian pharaoh. Shishak was the Egyptian pharaoh that lead that million man army, so there were probably Egyptians amongst those million also.

GC

[Wyrd of Gawd]

How about that million man Ethiopian army that went to Judea to get killed?

I do not think this army went to be destroyed. As for an Ethiopian army of one million, that's not what the Bible says, you stopped short of reading about Asa's entire reign. The seer Hanani asked Asa why he didn't rely on the LORD as he did when he faced the army made up of Ethiopians and Lubims (ie Libyans). During those times history tell of armies joining together to defeat Egypt. Shishak with his Ethiopian army was joined by the Lubim army to defeat Egypt and Shishak became the first black Egyptian pharaoh. Shishak was the Egyptian pharaoh that lead that million man army, so there were probably Egyptians amongst those million also.

GC

I was referring to Zerah the Ethiopian with his million man army in 2 Chronicles 14:9-15.

[Godscreated]

I do not think this army went to be destroyed. As for an Ethiopian army of one million, that's not what the Bible says, you stopped short of reading about Asa's entire reign. The seer Hanani asked Asa why he didn't rely on the LORD as he did when he faced the army made up of Ethiopians and Lubims (ie Libyans). During those times history tell of armies joining together to defeat Egypt. Shishak with his Ethiopian army was joined by the Lubim army to defeat Egypt and Shishak became the first black Egyptian pharaoh. Shishak was the Egyptian pharaoh that lead that million man army, so there were probably Egyptians amongst those million also.

GC

I was referring to Zerah the Ethiopian with his million man army in 2 Chronicles 14:9-15.

Yes I know, it was Shishak's predecessor who was by Egyptian records Ramos's IV that had a overseer of the northern territories which would have included southern parts of Judah, his name in Hebrew was Sarah and he most likely was an Ethiopian. For info Shishak was Ramese III. As I said large armies were put together to defeat Egypt and though historians believe the numbers were exaggerated (ie. because they believe that happened in the reports of most nations in those times) doesn't mean they are right,they were not there. Even if the numbers were exaggerated Asa with God's help defeated the Egyptian army and was the finial blow to Egypt's reign of that area. Sorry for the misinformation in the earlier post, I got my rulers mixed up and went and checked to make sure I was giving it to you correctly this time. Not all historians agree with what I just reported but this account brings together quite nicely the history of the two nations that other accounts do not..

GC

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I was referring to Zerah the Ethiopian with his million man army in 2 Chronicles 14:9-15.

Yes I know, it was Shishak's predecessor who was by Egyptian records Ramos's IV that had a overseer of the northern territories which would have included southern parts of Judah, his name in Hebrew was Sarah and he most likely was an Ethiopian. For info Shishak was Ramese III. As I said large armies were put together to defeat Egypt and though historians believe the numbers were exaggerated (ie. because they believe that happened in the reports of most nations in those times) doesn't mean they are right,they were not there. Even if the numbers were exaggerated Asa with God's help defeated the Egyptian army and was the finial blow to Egypt's reign of that area. Sorry for the misinformation in the earlier post, I got my rulers mixed up and went and checked to make sure I was giving it to you correctly this time. Not all historians agree with what I just reported but this account brings together quite nicely the history of the two nations that other accounts do not..

GC

Wars are matters of logistics.  The lack of logistics probably had more to do with the Egyptian defeat than anything.  They were not Mongols.

[Minimalist]

If only the twelve were baptizing and baptizing 20 every hour

What if they had to stop to take a shit?  That would throw your math off.

[Amarok]

Yes I know, it was Shishak's predecessor who was by Egyptian records Ramos's IV that had a overseer of the northern territories which would have included southern parts of Judah, his name in Hebrew was Sarah and he most likely was an Ethiopian. For info Shishak was Ramese III. As I said large armies were put together to defeat Egypt and though historians believe the numbers were exaggerated (ie. because they believe that happened in the reports of most nations in those times) doesn't mean they are right,they were not there. Even if the numbers were exaggerated Asa with God's help defeated the Egyptian army and was the finial blow to Egypt's reign of that area. Sorry for the misinformation in the earlier post, I got my rulers mixed up and went and checked to make sure I was giving it to you correctly this time. Not all historians agree with what I just reported but this account brings together quite nicely the history of the two nations that other accounts do not..

GC

Wars are matters of logistics.  The lack of logistics probably had more to do with the Egyptian defeat than anything.  They were not Mongols.

Indeed the Egyptians were not well versed in Hoard tactics

[Firefighter01]

1. No-one knows who wrote Luke or Acts, though they are similar in style
2. Acts is full of fiction and forgeries
3. Paul wrote over 80,000 words and never mentions Jesus' ministry, life before the trial or any historic event or location on Earth.

Paul was the first person to write about Jesus.  He created the Jesus character as a way to sell his new religion of resurrection and as a way to destroy or weaken Judaism and/or the Way cult.  The biblical Paul character is a stellar liar and con man when he wasn't outright nuts.  Paul didn't care what people said about his Jesus character as long as they said something.  Since Paul himself didn't give very many details about his Jesus character his disciples wrote the back story to show why Jesus was worthy of worship and why he could save people's souls if they believed in him.    Some of the other writers concentrated on certain aspects of the Jesus persona, such as his link to the Jews.  The writers also included some of the acts of the three main rebel leaders against the Romans as acts of the Jesus character.  So it's a mixture of politics and religion.

Another theory is that the Romans started the fairy tale as a way to weaken the Jews after the war.  That's not as far-fetched as it might seem since the Roman Emperor started a religion that made his dead boyfriend Antinous into a reborn god, complete with temples and rituals.

Did you ever consider that Paul may have been made up too?  There are several different writing styles under his banner. I'm not sure about your theory, it sounds like Joseph Atwill's and that has a lot of holes. You would think that if Jesus and his disciples were the real deal that someone would have been taking notes. What's the use of having dumb illiterate lackeys that do fuck all besides being his fall guys?

Also where does "according to the Scriptures" come from as in  ..."that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures"?  What scriptures? The Jewish Bible doesn't mention Jesus dying for our sins or his ministry or life. 

[vorlon13]

Jesus thought the end times were imminent. Not much need or use for writing things down if the world is going to wrap up during the (short) lifetimes of everyone He is preaching to.

IOW, Jesus was wrong.

Invalidated his own ministry.

Paul did a big retcon job to salvage the mess

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Did you ever consider that Paul may have been made up too?  There are several different writing styles under his banner. I'm not sure about your theory, it sounds like Joseph Atwill's and that has a lot of holes. You would think that if Jesus and his disciples were the real deal that someone would have been taking notes. What's the use of having dumb illiterate lackeys that do fuck all besides being his fall guys?

Also where does "according to the Scriptures" come from as in  ..."that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures"?  What scriptures? The Jewish Bible doesn't mention Jesus dying for our sins or his ministry or life. 

All of the characters were made up.  They are imaginary characters in a story.  But for the sake of discussion it's useful to discuss them as if they were real.  The main problem in discussing the Bible is that no one has really read and comprehended it.  It's a very complex story.

As I've said before, the Bible didn't exist as a complete and unified story until an English committee wrote it around 700 AD as a gift to the Pope and in response to the Koran fairy tale that Uthman's committee had written in the mid 600s.  So while the writers had the basic agreed upon outline to guide them each writer put in his own little gems to show that it was just BS.  

Of course the religion existed before the Bible was written and so did various bits and pieces of various scrolls.  But they were not the Bible.  Once the English wrote it then the stories were fixed, like they had been written in stone.  But of course as time passed everyone and his brother added his own two cents and now we have multiple versions that suit the casual reader.  

The Koran was also altered that way.  It wasn't originally written in numbered chapters and verses.  Everyone overlooks that, even the most fervent cleric in Saudi Arabia.  

As for the Jews they don't generally believe in Jesus and don't think that they are going to hell according to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud.  

Religion is a con game that enables con men to gain wealth and power over their more superstitious buddies.  The Bible has numerous examples of that.