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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 11:13 am
(January 27, 2017 at 10:45 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Personally, I think church tradition is extremely important and should not be discarded on the basis of a couple of proof texts. You will find that even Protestant theologians rely on the doctrines developed by the Schoolmen during the period of the "Church Universal." Sola Scriptura is a circular doctrine. It claims the the bible interprets itself. People have to be very naive to believe that. It's not an easy read. The 66 books are rich, complex and challenging.
(January 27, 2017 at 5:53 am)Rispri Wrote: In either case the reason i must believe is because 1: I have fear of death. 2: Its comforting to think of an idea to see the loved ones after i i die.
Those do not seem like particularly positive motivations for faith in Jesus Christ. Christianity can be a highly rewarding approach to life, filled with a unique kind of joy based on a personal experience with the source of love-itself. Atheists will say that you can get that without god. Perhaps. You'll have to decide that for yourself. You might want to check out David Bentley Hart's book on bliss (https://www.amazon.com/Experience-God-Be...nce+of+god)
Also the notion that there is "no evidence" trades on an ambiguity about the meaning of the word evidence. In their minds the evidence may be insufficient, but that is for you to decide based on observed facts about the world-as-it-is and decide if that justifies belief.
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 11:38 am
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(January 27, 2017 at 11:13 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (January 27, 2017 at 10:45 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Personally, I think church tradition is extremely important and should not be discarded on the basis of a couple of proof texts. You will find that even Protestant theologians rely on the doctrines developed by the Schoolmen during the period of the "Church Universal." Sola Scriptura is a circular doctrine. It claims the the bible interprets itself. People have to be very naive to believe that. It's not an easy read. The 66 books are rich, complex and challenging.
Those do not seem like particularly positive motivations for faith in Jesus Christ. Christianity can be a highly rewarding approach to life, filled with a unique kind of joy based on a personal experience with the source of love-itself. Atheists will say that you can get that without god. Perhaps. You'll have to decide that for yourself. You might want to check out David Bentley Hart's book on bliss (https://www.amazon.com/Experience-God-Be...nce+of+god)
Also the notion that there is "no evidence" trades on an ambiguity about the meaning of the word evidence. In their minds the evidence may be insufficient, but that is for you to decide based on observed facts about the world-as-it-is and decide if that justifies belief.
I agree and would say there is no good evidence to support a belief in Christianity. Christians, obviously, disagree with that point of view. But the "no evidence" canard needs to go.
OP, there might be any number of "good" reasons to subscribe to the Christian faith, but your fear of death and hope of seeing your loved ones in Heaven are bad reasons, however understandable your feelings may be.
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 11:44 am
(January 27, 2017 at 5:53 am)Rispri Wrote: I actually considered Catholicism for awhile. But the reason i just chose not to was mostly due to verses as
Psalm 2:6-12 and Luke 19:27 in context this would mean to set up a kingdom of God's people which could justify murder, the problem is traditionally catholicism and the same would be with orthodox christianity is that church tradition are just as important as the bible. So looking at the history Christianity would not encourage violence but they could use it to get the dominant cultural status. Which it is known for in middle ages.
I was actually just considering to just not believe it at all because i had moral problems with it that even if i lived in those times i could just not bring myself to such a thing. I am more of a discussing type of person.
In either case protestantism which is not that old is more on reformation of Christianity, so its easy to just reinterpret the meanings because it doesnt believe in the historical value of Christianity as the traditional ones do, so i could just say it means "Its what happens when all will be put before judgement after death" or "it means Christianity as in god's words will be what triumps over the pagan views of truth"
In either case the reason i must believe is because 1: I have fear of death. 2: Its comforting to think of an idea to see the loved ones after i i die.
In either case my goal is to try to be good and just do my best in general since i feel life has a purpose that way.
But let me know what you think?
Btw i dont hate catholics or orthodox christians or anything. It just wasn't for me.
Well, let's consider this:
The Jewish God Jehovah sent his Jewish son, born of a Jewish mother, in fulfillment of Jewish law and Jewish prophecy to preach a stricter version of Judaism than the Jewish leaders of the time were conducting, with his 12 Jewish disciples to the Jews.
And you want to be a Protestant.
Hmmm . . . . . .
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 11:55 am
You've been conned. Read Jesus Interrupted by Bart Ehrman.
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 4:36 pm
Since all gods are imaginary each person is free to create one that satisfies his personal needs and desires. So there's no need to buy one off the shelf that another person created for his own needs and desires.
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 5:34 pm
but if they do, and they are odious enough to want to see some of their deity's silliness legislated for everyone, then they had better be comporting themselves to all of their deity's silliness, and if they aren't . . . .
GRRRRRR
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 6:44 pm
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(January 27, 2017 at 10:45 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Sola Scriptura is a circular doctrine. It claims the the bible interprets itself. People have to be very naive to believe that. It's not an easy read. The 66 books are rich, complex and challenging.
And the Catholic position is no less circular. Believe in the authenticity of the Church based on the veracity of the events depicted in the scriptures and believe in the veracity of the events depicted in the scriptures based on the authenticity of the Church. Any appeal to evidence of the Church fathers is only useful if you build on the foundation of the gospels and the entire New Testament's acceptance as inspired and inerrant; and what pray tell would lead one to embrace the New Testament as inspired and inerrant? The presupposition of the authenticity of the Church. Circular reasoning of a different shade.
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 6:57 pm
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Rispri, why are humans the only life form to get an after life?
Is it because humans made god and the rest of the fantasy so they get the reward?
BTW, the reward is fantasy also.
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 7:15 pm
MH, I swear my stupid cat's already on his 12th life already!
The little shit is completely fearless....but the vet loves him! $$$$
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RE: Why i became a protestant Christian
January 27, 2017 at 7:21 pm
(January 27, 2017 at 7:15 pm)ignoramus Wrote: MH, I swear my stupid cat's already on his 12th life already!
The little shit is completely fearless....but the vet loves him! $$$$
Just a good Hindu Shashti.
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