Has anyone here heard about Greg Palast?

[SteelCurtain]

I wasn't aware votes were routinely discarded. Please, enlighten me.

[The Grand Nudger]

Enlighten yourself, I know you have google. It wasn't even controversial before these shenanigans. People must have naively believed that there was nothing to see....there.....

[Mister Agenda]

Since you've offered nothing to make me think you know what you're talking about, I don't see any reason to go to the trouble of trying to back up your claim for you.

[The Grand Nudger]

I certainly didn't need to present anything for you to decide not to look, no point in pretending I had something to do with it, lol. What do you think we do with provisional ballots that don't, for a host of reasons, make the cut? Why, in your understanding, are provisional ballots offered in the first place? What are the metrics for determining who has to cast a provisional ballot.....again, in your understanding?

Again, we're discussing something that was hardly controversial until it began to appear as though -completely normal- ballot purges reliably benefited one party (and one candidate - palast was all over the primaries for this issue as well), and moreso than that when they began to take control of that procedure openly.

[vorlon13]

People are more willing to lie to pollsters, exit and otherwise.

In the run up to the Iowa Caucuses I was telephone polled daily and never told the truth.

Fuck 'em.

Candidates need to run as though they are 20 points behind all the time anyhow, whether they are or not. There's honor in running your hardest and doing your best and still not making it as opposed to being a slacker and assuming you have it cinched no matter what.

And then whining about fucking losing . . . .


See how one of those might be a helpful thing to have in the back of everyone's mind in the lead up to the 2018 congressional races and how the other one ain't ?

[The Grand Nudger]

People lying to pollsters is interesting, but doesn't do anything about the number of ballots, provisional or otherwise, that are purged,...why, and where it happens.

[Pat Mustard]

[The Grand Nudger]

That;s the thing that make me go "huh" in these discussions.  There's no question as to -what- happened....the controversy is -why- it happened. Do all discarded or uncounted ballots actually qualify as such by the metrics used to determine them to be such..and what number of ballots considered as such are the direct result of manipulation that -again- we know happened in the runnup to the election under the guise of protecting against "voter fraud".

[Pat Mustard]