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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 4:35 pm
(February 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I've moved no goal posts, I was speaking by definition, you cannot define perfection if imperfection doesn't exist.
Likewise one cannot define perfection into existence simply because imperfection exists.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 5:30 pm
(February 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Imperfection is a concept as I have stated repeatedly, if God is all knowing then he always knew about imperfection, hence it always existed.
By that logic I am an eternal being. God always knew about me, so I have always existed. Fuck, I'm old! I mean, I knew I was getting up there, but I had no idea I was eternal.
Have you ever noticed all the drug commercials on TV lately? Why is it the side effects never include penile enlargement or super powers?
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm
(This post was last modified: February 15, 2017 at 6:09 pm by Huggy Bear.)
Now you're starting to get it...
One cannot receive eternal life, one had to have always had it, which I've plainly stated already.
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 6:12 pm
(February 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 15, 2017 at 3:27 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote: You have done a grand job of moving the goal posts there Huggy, originally you said that perfection can not exist without imperfection.
I've moved no goal posts, I was speaking by definition, you cannot define perfection if imperfection doesn't exist.
(February 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It's a common sense question, perfection cannot exist without imperfection because imperfection is what defines perfection, therefore one cannot truly appreciate or know what "perfection" is without experiencing imperfection. *emphasis mine*
Does the concept of a flawless diamond exist if there was no such thing as a flawed diamond? If flawed diamonds didn't exist then flawless would not be used in describing diamonds.
(February 15, 2017 at 3:27 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote: So I made the case (based on your logic) that a perfect God could not have created the universe, unless imperfection existed before the creation.
Now you are saying that imperfection only existed in Gods mind, that is not the same thing as imperfection actually existing is it?
Imperfection is a concept as I have stated repeatedly, if God is all knowing then he always knew about imperfection, hence it always existed.
Yes, but the perfect God you keep pushing is not just a concept to you is it? It's an actual being in your eyes. So how can you say a perfect God created the universe?
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 6:17 pm
(February 15, 2017 at 4:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (February 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I've moved no goal posts, I was speaking by definition, you cannot define perfection if imperfection doesn't exist.
Likewise one cannot define perfection into existence simply because imperfection exists.
How exactly do you figure?
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 6:23 pm
(February 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Now you're starting to get it...
One cannot receive eternal life, one had to have always had it, which I've plainly stated already.
Then my memory is worse than I thought because I remember almost nothing of the last few trillion eons.
So what you're saying is that God didn't create shit. Since God already knew about everything, everything always existed and didn't require creation because it already was. All right, then.
Have you ever noticed all the drug commercials on TV lately? Why is it the side effects never include penile enlargement or super powers?
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 6:24 pm
(February 15, 2017 at 6:17 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (February 15, 2017 at 4:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Likewise one cannot define perfection into existence simply because imperfection exists.
How exactly do you figure?
The one doesn't necessarily imply the other.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 7:22 pm
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(February 15, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Asmodee Wrote: (February 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Now you're starting to get it...
One cannot receive eternal life, one had to have always had it, which I've plainly stated already.
Then my memory is worse than I thought because I remember almost nothing of the last few trillion eons.
So what you're saying is that God didn't create shit. Since God already knew about everything, everything always existed and didn't require creation because it already was. All right, then.
At what point does an apple exist? When it appears on a tree, or did it always potentially exist even when it's tree was still in seed form?
The apple doesn't just magically appear, it came from somewhere.
Therefore inside the apple seed exits all the apples it will produce it just requires certain conditions for the apples to be made manifest.
The spoken word of God is the original seed, he spoke and his thoughts materialized.
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 16, 2017 at 1:21 am
(February 15, 2017 at 9:53 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: OP, depends which God. If you take Christian and Jewish god then because he is evil. Like in Isaiah 45:5–7 God indeed describes himself being as much evil as he is good. He brags that he created evil—not as the absence of good, but as a creation that he was proud of.
Isaiah 45:5-7King James Version (KJV)
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Here you go again misinforming people about the scriptures, you've proven in previous threads you have no idea what they say. The word evil in verse 7 is better translated calamity and fits with the word peace much better. Most of the newer translations now use the word calamity, but then you would not know this since you do not have a BIble that you use. You simply parrot what others mistakenly believe and use the biased web sites made for atheist to lazy to study the Bible.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 16, 2017 at 1:25 am
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Yeah, the newer translations have changed the word of god to suit their desires. What's wrong with the KJV anyway, lol?
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