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How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
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RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 22, 2017 at 12:52 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2017 at 1:26 pm by SteveII.)
(February 17, 2017 at 9:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: One really wonders how long this can go on. Will there come a day when Christianity revises this claim, or will it simply let it go? Will they be eagerly awaiting him in the year 3000? If so, what about five thousand years from now? Ten thousand years? Inherent in your question is that the claims of Christianity are false. If they are true (or believe them to be true), why wouldn't they apply at any time in the future? There is no doctrine which is time-sensitive, so there is no argument that weakens with age. Additionally, since there are more people alive today that believe these claims than ever before, it is clear that time passing has only been positive for Christianity. (February 19, 2017 at 5:43 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:(February 19, 2017 at 5:33 pm)Kernel Sohcahtoa Wrote: Hello, sir. I recall a quote from the movie Inherit The Wind (1960):"religion is supposed to comfort people, not frighten them to death." Bertram Cates. I hear this line of reasoning a lot. The words 'threats' and 'scare tactics' carry in their meaning intent. I don't think the doctrine of Hell in the Bible is correctly understood as a lever to get you to do something. The logical conclusion of not choosing God and living the life he has called you to live (which is the sole goal of Christianity) is eternal separation from God. Simply describing the logical outcome of this choice cannot be characterized as a 'threat' or a 'scare tactic' no matter how frightening it is. To say it another way, avoiding Hell is not the goal being preached, avoiding Hell is one of the benefits from doing the right thing (choosing God and living as proscribed). If a church or a person uses Hell as a threat or scare tactic, then that is on them and not the intent of NT Christianity. I'm interested in other opinions. (February 17, 2017 at 9:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: One really wonders how long this can go on. Will there come a day when Christianity revises this claim, or will it simply let it go? Will they be eagerly awaiting him in the year 3000? If so, what about five thousand years from now? Ten thousand years? Jesus asked, When the Son of Man returns, will he find faith on the earth? This seems to be a rhetorical question indicating that he won't find much faith on the earth. So, I don't know how long, but not forever. In the end, Islam will be in charge, Christianity will be minor and then raptured, then Israel becomes the focus again. (February 18, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote:(February 17, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Lek Wrote: I know I'm probably giving you guys ammunition, but actually to get the best understanding you would need to learn ancient Greek and then interpret it directly from the language in which it was written. I conceded that I was wrong about the "this generation" thing but I retract that. Matthew 16:28 says, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” It's ok. You lost, that's all. You bet on the wrong guy. No biggie. Always room for one more in the atheist community.
Jesus is like Pinocchio. He's the bastard son of a carpenter. And a liar. And he wishes he was real.
(February 22, 2017 at 6:09 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote:(February 18, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Find me any two ancient manuscripts that are complete and have zero discrepancies, and you're on. Or the prophecy was about the destruction of Jerusalem and more importantly the temple. Since the temple had been the way to communicate with God, it was no longer needed. The new paradigm was the spiritual kingdom of God that anyone had access to. I think I will stay here thank you. (February 20, 2017 at 1:56 pm)Lek Wrote:(February 19, 2017 at 5:27 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: But the language of Jesus and his band of men would have been Aramaic which DID have a written form. So the very first writtings would have lost something in translation and there are NO written accounts in the original tongue. A bit like taking the google translate to Chinese and then into english account of something as your holy book. When you get it, it has been translated at least three times. Thanks for you thoughtful answer, Lek. Out of curiosity, how do you know that you are properly interpreting what your deity is saying to you? Thanks. (February 22, 2017 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote: God cares about you but, if you think mocking Him in someway hurts Him you,re wrong. No I don't think I can hurt a figment of your imagination, I think it might hurt believers a bit though. I've also heard the Easter bunny isn't bothered when I call him big ears either. (February 22, 2017 at 7:11 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote:(February 22, 2017 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote: God cares about you but, if you think mocking Him in someway hurts Him you,re wrong. Ah, another one who is here to mock and dialog in disrespect. What does it say about a person who has that as an actual goal? RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 22, 2017 at 8:25 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2017 at 8:27 pm by Godscreated.)
(February 22, 2017 at 7:11 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote:(February 22, 2017 at 1:12 am)Godschild Wrote: God cares about you but, if you think mocking Him in someway hurts Him you,re wrong. Jesus told us not to worry about what others say, it is toward Me that they mock. I trust him more than I would ever trust you. GC (February 22, 2017 at 8:23 pm)SteveII Wrote:(February 22, 2017 at 7:11 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote: No I don't think I can hurt a figment of your imagination, I think it might hurt believers a bit though. I've also heard the Easter bunny isn't bothered when I call him big ears either. That they don't take your beliefs as seriously as you do. Just as many people of faith mock others of faith, their beliefs, their deities. Or how they mock non believers. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" |
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