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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 7:34 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 7:31 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: (May 10, 2017 at 7:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I have to work at swollowing my pride, at trying to see things from his perspective, and of having the humility to apologize... or even to "let him win" sometimes.
It may be harder for some people than others. We all have our flaws and our struggles to overcome. But we do have the ability to choose how we act.
But putting effort into something doesn't make that effort a choice. Remember the effort itself is predetermined.
Remember if God knows what will happen then whether that's you putting the effort in or not putting the effort in... you have no choice.
No. But that's a topic on the other active thread.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 7:35 pm
Oh I got mixed up lol. Sorry.
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 7:36 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So I guess that means I am an unevolved human lol.
Sorry, there is no holding back anymore.
Certainly, you're a wonderful, amiable person, but your beliefs still muddy the waters of reason.
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 7:37 pm
WATERY, WATERY, REASON.
Lmao.
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 7:44 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 7:36 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (May 10, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So I guess that means I am an unevolved human lol.
Sorry, there is no holding back anymore.
Certainly, you're a wonderful, amiable person, but your beliefs still muddy the waters of reason.
Well I appreciate the half compliments.
Welcome back btw.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 7:46 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 7:28 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (May 10, 2017 at 7:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
Everything human about us, is learnt and derived from him.
False.
We are inherently human, and evolution taught us how to become more human.
Humans create ideas for that which they cannot comprehend; i.e., there is a god angry in the sky when it thunders.
Evolution also enhances our capabilities toward reason, explaining away the god in the sky for natural causes.
Those who do not evolve remain ignorant and religious.
Evolution might be the pen God taught us with?
If he is great as he assumes; then his way of teaching would be mighty. Evolution isn't a simple process, so as the orbits of planets and the seasons of harvest; through them he taught us the numbers of years and math.
The pen might be able to draw all of these; from Evolution to orbits, to watching a live demonstration of how beasts do some tasks; watch a beast taking care of her cubs, a pack eating a sheep, and so on.
Quote:Sura 96, Page 597, The Quran:
( 3 ) Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous -
( 4 ) Who taught by the pen -
( 5 ) Taught man that which he knew not.
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 7:48 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 7:46 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Evolution might be the pen God taught us with?
As almighty as he proposes to be, one would think he could do better than to imitate a pen used by a human hand to write precisely what humans think.
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 7:58 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 7:48 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (May 10, 2017 at 7:46 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Evolution might be the pen God taught us with?
As almighty as he proposes to be, one would think he could do better than to imitate a pen used by a human hand to write precisely what humans think.
No no, God's pen is different than ours; God's pen writes whole species and whole events and even whole destinies.
Our pens can't even write a D.N.A, let alone whole life events.
Our pens use ink. God's pen is unknown. What does it use and how it looks is beyond me, but the result can be seen whenever we study math, biology or cosmology. It can also be seen in the grocery store.
I consider it a mercy to have human pens to write our thoughts.
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 8:02 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 7:58 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: No no, God's pen is different than ours; God's pen writes whole species and whole events and even whole destinies.
Our pens can't even write a D.N.A, let alone whole life events.
Our pens use ink. God's pen is unknown. What does it use and how it looks is beyond me, but the result can be seen whenever we study math, biology or cosmology. It can also be seen in the grocery store.
I consider it a mercy to have human pens to write our thoughts.
Scientists seem to be quite capable of mapping human DNA.
It just seems to me that a god who can create should be capable of revealing himself as existing.
When one's reliance of god's existence is dependent upon something other than evidence of god's existence, it is easy to understand that a lack of evidence is equal to non-existence.
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RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 10, 2017 at 8:03 pm
I haven't seen a "no" from CL, yet...
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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