Theistic Inclinations

[WinterHold]

No no, God's pen is different than ours; God's pen writes whole species and whole events and even whole destinies.
Our pens can't even write a D.N.A, let alone whole life events.

Our pens use ink. God's pen is unknown. What does it use and how it looks is beyond me, but the result can be seen whenever we study math, biology or cosmology. It can also be seen in the grocery store.

I consider it a mercy to have human pens to write our thoughts.

Scientists seem to be quite capable of mapping human DNA.

It just seems to me that a god who can create should be capable of revealing himself as existing.

When one's reliance of god's existence is dependent upon something other than evidence of god's existence, it is easy to understand that a lack of evidence is equal to non-existence.

Is the human genome completely sequenced?

https://www.genome.gov/11006943/human-ge...questions/

Yes - within the limits of today's technology, the human genome is as complete as it can be. Small gaps that are unrecoverable in any current sequencing method remain, amounting for about 1 percent of the gene-containing portion of the genome, or euchromatin. New technologies will have to be invented to obtain the sequence of these regions.
However, the gene-containing portion of the genome is complete in nearly every functional way for the purposes of scientific research and is freely and publicly available. Even though the Human Genome Project is now completed, scientists will continue to develop and apply new technologies to the few remaining refractory problems. For its part, NHGRI will continue to support a wide range of research to develop new sequencing technologies, to interpret the human sequence and to use the newfound 

Didn't you announce the human genome sequence was complete three years ago at a White House ceremony?

On June 26, 2000, the International Human Genome Sequencing Consortium announced the production of a rough draft of the human genome sequence. In April, 2003, the International Human Genome Sequencing Consortium is announcing an essentially finished version of the human genome sequence. This version, which is available to the public, provides nearly all the information needed to do research using the whole genome.
The difference between the draft and finished versions is defined by coverage, the number of gaps and the error rate. The draft sequence covered 90 percent of the genome at an error rate of one in 1,000 base pairs, but there were more than 150,000 gaps and only 28 percent of the genome had reached the finished standard. In the April 2003 version, there are less than 400 gaps and 99 percent of the genome is finished with an accuracy rate of less than one error every 10,000 base pairs. The differences between the two versions are significant for scientists using the sequence to conduct research.

It's not yet complete.

This life is not supposed to be a place where God appears; it's a mere test. You won't see the answer; but you can study the materials you have to reach it.
A fighting ground between us and ourselves and Satan. Who would we choose?

It's finding what is best for us. God is the best option.

[Silver]

This life is not supposed to be a place where God appears; it's a mere test. You won't see the answer; but you can study the materials you have to reach it.

If studying the material means foregoing with reason to accept ill logic, then I would gladly fail that poorly created test.

Besides, a god that prefers to play games in accordance with his existence is not a god worth acknowledging.

A fighting ground between us and ourselves and Satan. Who would we choose?

Considering that Satan is just as fictional as god, I choose humanity's propensity to reason properly.

It's finding what is best for us. God is the best option.

God is never a good option, for a belief in god is the antithesis to reality.

[Angrboda]

The idea that my eternal worth hinges upon whether I accept or reject the existence of God is one of the more immoral doctrines thought up by any religion.

How the religion of choice defines God is where the key is.
If God is a humanoid, then your sentence makes sense.

But if God is "something else" that taught us the noble traits we hold like mercy and logic, then the sentence doesn't make any sense.
Many religions sought to picture God as a humanoid with super powers. 

No, all that is necessary is for the standards of good and evil to exist independent of God.

Since the alternative to that is the arbitrariness of Divine Command Theory, I don't think God wins either way.

[Amarok]

So I guess that means I am an unevolved human lol.

This statement makes no sense humans are evolved lifeforms . Nor does evolution argue for necessary superiority among members of the same species in some inevitable super state like spencer believed that's Lamarckism. Evolution deals with good enough to survive but rejects the notion of master races that a species will evolve into. Thus the presence of irrational beliefs does not make one less evolved .

[Catholic_Lady]

So I guess that means I am an unevolved human lol.

This statement makes no sense humans are  evolved lifeforms . Nor does evolution argue for necessary superiority among members of the same species in some inevitable super state like spencer believed that's Lamarckism. Evolution deals with good enough to survive but rejects the notion of master races that a species will evolve into. Thus the presence of irrational beliefs does not make one less evolved .

No, you see Orochi, people who are religious (or have "irrational beliefs" as you so eloquently put it) are just dumber and fundamentally inferior to those who don't. Therefore, less evolved. It's a very scientific conclusion.  

/sarcasm

[WinterHold]

This life is not supposed to be a place where God appears; it's a mere test. You won't see the answer; but you can study the materials you have to reach it.

If studying the material means foregoing with reason to accept ill logic, then I would gladly fail that poorly created test.

Besides, a god that prefers to play games in accordance with his existence is not a god worth acknowledging.

A fighting ground between us and ourselves and Satan. Who would we choose?

Considering that Satan is just as fictional as god, I choose humanity's propensity to reason properly.

It's finding what is best for us. God is the best option.

God is never a good option, for a belief in god is the antithesis to reality.

It would be a game if the sun didn't rise and the moon hid behind a black hole.
The universe is screaming with the existence of a grand design.

Satan is a slave just like us. He made his choice to take us into hell with him; he's more of a psychopath if you ask me. Ego destroyed him, he's in against humans; not against God:

Sura 17, Page 288, The Quran:
( 61 )   And [mention] when We said to the angles, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He said, "Should I prostrate to one You created from clay?"
( 62 )   [Satan] said, "Do You see this one whom You have honored above me? If You delay me until the Day of Resurrection, I will surely destroy his descendants, except for a few."
( 63 )   [Allah] said, "Go, for whoever of them follows you, indeed Hell will be the recompense of you - an ample recompense.

He made his choice. 

I think humans have created the best antithesis to reality. Through drugs, video games and fast-food chains, we are drugged 24/7. We live in concrete boxes and spend months inside closed doors without ever seeing the sun. We call these concrete jungles "cities".

Facebook is so reality?

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How the religion of choice defines God is where the key is.
If God is a humanoid, then your sentence makes sense.

But if God is "something else" that taught us the noble traits we hold like mercy and logic, then the sentence doesn't make any sense.
Many religions sought to picture God as a humanoid with super powers. 

No, all that is necessary is for the standards of good and evil to exist independent of God.

Since the alternative to that is the arbitrariness of Divine Command Theory, I don't think God wins either way.

Nothing can exist independently from God; even evil acts.
The Quran puts it in two different verses:

Sura 91, Page 595, The Quran:
( 7 )   And the soul and He who proportioned it
( 8 )   And inspired it its wickedness and its righteousness,
( 9 )   He has succeeded who purifies it,
( 10 )   And he has failed who instills it 

Another interesting verse:

Sura 19, Page 311, The Quran:
( 83 )   Do you not see that We have sent the devils upon the disbelievers, inciting them to [evil] with [constant] incitement?

God created evil, and even inspired the human soul with it along with righteousness.
It's up to us to choose the righteous path, and pray to stay in it. If we go astray, then it's our choice, with a possibility that God made.

The first mistake many theists do, is separating "God"; resulting in a very weak binary God for each trait. Always RA and SET, always ZEUS and HADES, and this thought was presented into Christianity long ago.

God never orders us to commit evil, but he created it. The choice is what concludes it all; we have the freedom to decide. And our whole lives to make our choice.

[Catholic_Lady]

Atlas your posts are super long lol.

[Amarok]

This statement makes no sense humans are  evolved lifeforms . Nor does evolution argue for necessary superiority among members of the same species in some inevitable super state like spencer believed that's Lamarckism. Evolution deals with good enough to survive but rejects the notion of master races that a species will evolve into. Thus the presence of irrational beliefs does not make one less evolved .

No, you see Orochi, people who are religious (or have "irrational beliefs" as you so eloquently put it) are just dumber and fundamentally inferior to those who don't. Therefore, less evolved. It's a very scientific conclusion.  

/sarcasm

I guessing this really is sarcasm but in case it isn't this does not follow

Not really rationality and intelligence don't necessarily follow. One can be smart but irrational and one can be  dumb but completely rational ultimately are not purely binary . Nor by the way is being smart and rational mean one is more evoloved.If a asteroid  struck tomorrow likely the only thing alive will not be Stephen hawking's but a cockroach. Reason and Intelligence are powerful tools in evolution but far from the only and in context far from the best.

[WinterHold]

Atlas your posts are super long lol.

Walls of quotes ; I always sucked at quoting

[Amarok]

Ok...I don't disagree with that for the most part, and do not think that the meme need change any of that.

I do see however think that your comment is based mostly on what was not said, but your assumptions (and possibly misunderstandings).  

I believe this is why you misunderstand the meme posted.

Oh, we understand what it's trying to say.  It's just what it's saying is inane.

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The message of the meme is pretty clear. Salvation has nothing to do with how good we think we are; but rather, on our acknowledgement of our shortcomings, requesting, and accepting God's forgiveness. This in no way negates the fact that a proper response to God's grace is gratitude and obedience.

As I said, inane.

Indeed we owe god neither gratitude nor obedience. And my faults are not something to apologize for to some sky wizard to gain a place as his bottom bitch . But something to overcome for ourselves and that which we care about . And submission is for grade papers not men. and pride is only bad if you allow it to destroy other things you value