Theistic Inclinations

[Edwardo Piet]

[previously in response to Neo] Dude what I want and what I believe is irrelevant to the truth of the matter.

Furthermore, to follow this post up, if you believe that God knows what your future actions will be then it would be rational to conclude that you're a slave to fate too.

[Amarok]

Only someone like Neo could take the idea of freedom as a state of condemnation

[Edwardo Piet]

Only someone like Neo could take the idea of freedom as a state of condemnation

No... he was quoting the famous Existentialist Philosopher Jean Paul Sartre:

Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.

My bold.

[Amarok]

Only someone like Neo could take the idea of freedom as a state of condemnation

No... he was quoting the famous Existentialist Philosopher Jean Paul Sartre:

Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.

My bold.

I said he takes the idea seriously not that he thought up the idea (I don't think he's even that smart)

But really I agree it's just a way to get his Absentee/Abusive cosmic sky daddy of the hook

[Cyberman]

Only someone like Neo could take the idea of freedom as a state of condemnation

No... he was quoting the famous Existentialist Philosopher Jean Paul Sartre:

Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.

My bold.

Only up to the point at which Sartre becomes inconvenient. Then it's time for the bus.

[Edwardo Piet]

Indeed.

I think Sartre was full of shite anyways.

[Neo-Scholastic]

[previously in response to Neo] Dude what I want and what I believe is irrelevant to the truth of the matter.

Furthermore, to follow this post up, if you believe that God knows what your future actions will be then it would be rational to conclude that you're a slave to fate too.

That depends on one's theory of time (presentism, eternalism, or something else). I haven't taken a firm position, one way or the other. In the meantime, I will continue to live and believe that things are as they seem, i.e. that my decisions are real choices.

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.. he was quoting the famous Existentialist Philosopher Jean Paul Sartre...

Only up to the point at which Sartre becomes inconvenient. Then it's time for the bus.

Fair enough. Sartre had a profound impact on me early in my study of philosophy and I've retained many of his views. I still consider myself an epitimological existentialist although I have shifted to a kind of metaphysical essentialism.

[Aroura]

[Edwardo Piet]

Furthermore, to follow this post up, if you believe that God knows what your future actions will be then it would be rational to conclude that you're a slave to fate too.

That depends on one's theory of time (presentism, eternalism, or something else

No it doesn't. That's not relevant. If God knows the future and the future is what will happen... whether the future only comes into existence when it becomes present or whether it already exists isn't relevant.

Not making up your mind on a theory of time isn't a way to refute the fact that if God knows what you will do then you can't do differently.

@Cyberman

You're good with words and terms... what do you think we should call the act of avoiding refuting a logical argument by using the excuse of simply not bothering to think about a related subject even when that related subject isn't quite even relevant to the logical argument anyways?

[Neo-Scholastic]

One possible way of looking at it is this. If all of time is fully present to God then God doesn't know now what you will do in the future because he already knows it then. That means he is only aware of the choice you make exactly at the time you make it. It's kind of a mind bender, I know but it has a certain sense about it.