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What is the logic in "life after death"?
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RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
(March 5, 2017 at 4:34 pm)Whateverist Wrote: From a simple, uneducated point of view an afterlife is very intuitive. No one can recall a time in which they did not exist. That isn't to say one cannot infer or deduce that that day will come. But go back 500 or 5000 years and I'm pretty sure the general consensus would be that there must be somewhere where people go when they no longer live in this life. Most would probably assume animals would continue in some kind of existence beyond becoming dinner too. It isn't that hard to imagine.

Of course the fundamentalist xtian schtick of judgement followed by eternal reward or punishment is a whole other animal. Pretty absurd but it is an elaboration upon an intuition which predates it by far. Essentially they've just hijacked something pre-existing.

Oh but as for logic, forget it. Any degree of reflection and critical thought will soon put the lie to an afterlife.

The Sadducees did not believe in an afterlife.
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#12
RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
This life sucks.

The resources are limited, very limited, evil people are unleashed and actually living with us, have power over us, death is a mere portal that God made, but a baseball bat to the groin or a heated knife through the spine is nothing but a teller, why hell should exist, and this life sucks.

Just sucks. So sad. So short.

Logically, a theory says:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_f...e_universe


Quote:If this happens repeatedly, it creates a cyclic model, which is also known as an oscillatory universe. Theuniverse could then consist of an infinite sequence of finite universes, with each finite universe ending with a Big Crunch that is also the Big Bang of the nextuniverse.


Infinite sequence of finite universes. Seems like immortality to me.

Anyhow, this universe is so chaotic. Beautiful, but it's not the place to live. Death, greed, hate, torture, supernovas, pulsars, you count it.
Yes ; and Satan too.

Immortality in heaven, is just a transition to a better world, for those who hated this one, and hanged to God.
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#13
RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
(March 5, 2017 at 6:48 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Infinite sequence of finite universes. Seems like immortality to me.

You have a very poor definition of "immortality".
"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
  - A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
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#14
RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
Bleak too.
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#15
RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
(March 5, 2017 at 6:48 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: This life sucks.

The resources are limited, very limited, evil people are unleashed and actually living with us, have power over us, death is a mere portal that God made, but a baseball bat to the groin or a heated knife through the spine is nothing but a teller, why hell should exist, and this life sucks.

Just sucks. So sad. So short.

Logically, a theory says:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_f...e_universe


Quote:If this happens repeatedly, it creates a cyclic model, which is also known as an oscillatory universe. Theuniverse could then consist of an infinite sequence of finite universes, with each finite universe ending with a Big Crunch that is also the Big Bang of the nextuniverse.


Infinite sequence of finite universes. Seems like immortality to me.

Anyhow, this universe is so chaotic. Beautiful, but it's not the place to live. Death, greed, hate, torture, supernovas, pulsars, you count it.
Yes ; and Satan too.

Immortality in heaven, is just a transition to a better world, for those who hated this one, and hanged to God.

So, the "afterlife" is the security blanket you cling to in order to feel better about life?
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RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
(March 5, 2017 at 5:44 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote:
(March 5, 2017 at 5:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: [...]
How can one appreciate eternal life if they've never experienced death?

[...]
How can one appreciate eternal life if one has never experienced death? Haha that's what eternal life is isn't it?

You've totally nailed it there! Big Grin
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#17
RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
Life after death is just a crutch for people who cannot face the idea that one day they will not exist.
Asking where you go after you die is like asking where the music goes after the band stops playing. You will only exist in the memory of those who knew you - in the same way you will remember the music when it ends.
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

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#18
RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
Well yeh, but I feel people can deal with their own deaths, but what scares most is the thought of losing their loved ones and never being able to see them again.
Quote:To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.
- Lau Tzu

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RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
(March 5, 2017 at 3:48 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: OK I know that you'll say that logic and religion don't go together but there must be something that religious people use to rationalize this very central reason why most of them bother with religion.
So, what would be the point of creating this world only to test people here to see if they'll go to heaven or hell? Looking at popular belief (and not strictly the scriptures) of who goes where : the killers, thieves, gluttonous and rapists get denied of heaven and are sentenced to hell - but why? Because when you get to heaven you are immortal and if you can't die - nobody can kill you; if everybody has everything - why bother stealing?; if you don't have to eat because you're a ghost and already dead - so what if you were gluttonous?; and if everybody is lacking genitals then nobody can rape anybody.
What am I missing here? Does anyone have an answer to this?

Perhaps there could be made a case that this construction of life after death is damaging to society because it gives felons some sort of supernatural dimension of evil and therefore society is reluctant to help not only to renovate these people but make society a better place. If we take that most crime is driven by poverty, injustice and least of all mental illness then in better societies there is less crime.



So you reckon that religions always speak the voice of God?
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#20
RE: What is the logic in "life after death"?
(March 5, 2017 at 3:48 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: OK I know that you'll say that logic and religion don't go together but there must be something that religious people use to rationalize this very central reason why most of them bother with religion.
So, what would be the point of creating this world only to test people here to see if they'll go to heaven or hell? Looking at popular belief (and not strictly the scriptures) of who goes where : the killers, thieves, gluttonous and rapists get denied of heaven and are sentenced to hell - but why? Because when you get to heaven you are immortal and if you can't die - nobody can kill you; if everybody has everything - why bother stealing?; if you don't have to eat because you're a ghost and already dead - so what if you were gluttonous?; and if everybody is lacking genitals then nobody can rape anybody.
What am I missing here? Does anyone have an answer to this?

Perhaps there could be made a case that this construction of life after death is damaging to society because it gives felons some sort of supernatural dimension of evil and therefore society is reluctant to help not only to renovate these people but make society a better place. If we take that most crime is driven by poverty, injustice and least of all mental illness then in better societies there is less crime.

Your whole question is malformed. The point of this world is not to test you. The point of this world is to allow you the opportunity to freely choose a relationship with God. You go to hell because you reject God. Listing particular sins and then extrapolating them into heaven makes no sense.
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