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White people assuming other white people like Trump
#41
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
(March 19, 2017 at 1:25 am)Sterben Wrote: So, why is this occurring more often around the country? Is it a white entitlement philosophy? All because whites feel they were under attack and now they get to fight back, that is what I think is going on.

I couldn't honestly tell you -- this honky don't honk.

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#42
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
I'm white.. And I can safely say no one has ever come up to me to talk about Trump.

Maybe it has to do with being in Europe... Tongue
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#43
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
Editing....

"So, why is this occurring more often around the country? Is it a white entitlement philosophy? All because whites feel they were under attack and now they get to fight back, that is what I think is going on." (sorry quote system fucked up as I was typing, can a mod fix this for me to tag Sterben in? Please and thanks.)

Anyways...

Partly

Honestly it's a lot of things though. We get so hung up on trying to find just ONE explanation for everything and that's never the case.

I think people just wanted change this election, badly. I'm not in America, but the whole Western world still hasn't really fully recovered from the financial crisis that hit nearly 10 years ago, We're (understandably I think) more concerned about terror than ever before, and we have that loss in industry and jobs which is ongoing. I also genuinely buy the idea that The Dems have totally lost the white working class.

Trump was just the more charismatic candidate who appealed to people, he knows what to say to play into peoples' emotions and fears. I've used this example a few times but I think it's a good one, I saw quite a few fairly liberal-minded gay people fall into thinking Trump is good too. Although I saw through it personally, it's very easy to see why. He knew what to say after Orlando. While the general political Left were (typically, as fucking usual) floundering finding a billion and one different excuses to absolve Islam just to spare the feels of Muslims, Trump comes in and (fake I'm sure but whatever) shows solidarity with gays and pledges to protect LGBT people. That's enough to impress some people.

I'm surprised more people don't see the transparency of it though. This is what politicians do, all of them, Hillary was as bad. When it comes to their election cycle they'll go back on whatever they've said over the years and suddenly say anything to appeal to a potential voter base they wouldn't normally have. Trump did the same raking in working class whites of the Flyover States, promising jobs.

So no, although it is certainly part of it, I don't think ALL of Trump's support comes from white people losing sleep at night thinking "ugh those brown people coming to fuck up muh country!". It's such a massive oversimplification for people to just say "whitelash! racist whites voted Trump!"
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"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
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#44
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
(March 19, 2017 at 4:25 am)Regina Wrote: Editing....

"So, why is this occurring more often around the country? Is it a white entitlement philosophy? All because whites feel they were under attack and now they get to fight back, that is what I think is going on." (sorry quote system fucked up as I was typing, can a mod fix this for me to tag Sterben in? Please and thanks.)

Anyways...

Partly

Honestly it's a lot of things though. We get so hung up on trying to find just ONE explanation for everything and that's never the case.

I think people just wanted change this election, badly. I'm not in America, but the whole Western world still hasn't really fully recovered from the financial crisis that hit nearly 10 years ago, We're (understandably I think) more concerned about terror than ever before, and we have that loss in industry and jobs which is ongoing. I also genuinely buy the idea that The Dems have totally lost the white working class.

Trump was just the more charismatic candidate who appealed to people, he knows what to say to play into peoples' emotions and fears. I've used this example a few times but I think it's a good one, I saw quite a few fairly liberal-minded gay people fall into thinking Trump is good too. Although I saw through it personally, it's very easy to see why. He knew what to say after Orlando. While the general political Left were (typically, as fucking usual) floundering finding a billion and one different excuses to absolve Islam just to spare the feels of Muslims, Trump comes in and (fake I'm sure but whatever) shows solidarity with gays and pledges to protect LGBT people. That's enough to impress some people.

I'm surprised more people don't see the transparency of it though. This is what politicians do, all of them, Hillary was as bad. When it comes to their election cycle they'll go back on whatever they've said over the years and suddenly say anything to appeal to a potential voter base they wouldn't normally have. Trump did the same raking in working class whites of the Flyover States, promising jobs.

So no, although it is certainly part of it, I don't think ALL of Trump's support comes from white people losing sleep at night thinking "ugh those brown people coming to fuck up muh country!". It's such a massive oversimplification for people to just say "whitelash! racist whites voted Trump!"
       Thank you, thank you re-enforcing for my logic. I never was a fan of "Racism" and there should be a picture of him next to the word in the Oxford dictionary. At this point the whole system in America as is so fucked that it's way too hard to keep an account of it. Which is why I gave up on trying to wrap my head around it and I'm sure so many other people have. Windows ME edition makes more sense and that system was a terrible idea!
     “A man isn't tiny or giant enough to defeat anything” Yukio Mishima


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#45
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
There's a meta topic related to this thread.

I've been assumed to be hetero, a drinker (since 12 Steppers), a doper (since 12 Steppers), a computer whiz, religious, and a biggee; someone eager to have a security clearance.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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#46
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
(March 19, 2017 at 3:27 am)pocaracas Wrote: I'm white.. And I can safely say no one has ever come up to me to talk about Trump.

Maybe it has to do with being in Europe... Tongue

Well for a while most days we discussed "what the stupid arsehole has done now" on a daily basis, but after a while it got really depressing.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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#47
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
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‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#48
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
Rather than start yet another Trump thread, have you seen that the FBI has confirmed it is investigating links to Trump and Russia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jame..._hp_ref=uk

“I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” Comey told the House Intelligence Committee. “That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts"



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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#49
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
(March 20, 2017 at 12:55 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Rather than start yet another Trump thread, have you seen that the FBI has confirmed it is investigating links to Trump and Russia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jame..._hp_ref=uk

“I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” Comey told the House Intelligence Committee. “That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts"

       Good idea not to start another one, even if they find anything it won't do us any favors. If anyone thinks he would impeached that will still leave the rest of staff. You would have to purge all of them out of their positions to get the smell out of the house. You would need a lot lemon pledge to clean up that mess.
     “A man isn't tiny or giant enough to defeat anything” Yukio Mishima


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#50
RE: White people assuming other white people like Trump
(March 20, 2017 at 10:19 pm)Sterben Wrote:
(March 20, 2017 at 12:55 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Rather than start yet another Trump thread, have you seen that the FBI has confirmed it is investigating links to Trump and Russia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jame..._hp_ref=uk

“I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” Comey told the House Intelligence Committee. “That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts"

       Good idea not to start another one, even if they find anything it won't do us any favors. If anyone thinks he would impeached that will still leave the rest of staff. You would have to purge all of them out of their positions to get the smell out of the house. You would need a lot lemon pledge to clean up that mess.

You notice they are investigating "links" to Russia not "alleged links".



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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