does the "Israel becoming a nation again prophecy" have any value

[Amarok]

You can waste your time digging up quotes if you wish, but the list of political parties that support the two state solution can be found here.

There are definitely some parties on the left that aren't too keen on it though. So what's your alternative to the two state solution then, since you don't think it will work?

Officially state ( just like how the Canadian Conservative party are officially pro immigration but then you listen to the opinions on immigration...) . And most of those parties are weak as water. And I could point out what internal percentage support it.

As for a solution there are two

1. If your asking me for historic solution (kind of futile now but) Israel should never have been reformed. And the Jews should have been permitted to build a Jewish  territory here in Canada( just like how we have allowed natives to)  as  a apology for turning away millions of Jews during Hitler's rise to power.

2. If you want a modern solution . Someone has to leave. If it were any two other nation a two state solution would work .the fact that it's these two nation as they are It can't work . That may sound pessimistic but it's how I feel.

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Your right there

What am I right about?

About Identity sorry if that didn't show up my bad

Yup because the populous would adore the Palestinians if they would just stop being mad at them  for forcing them off there land . And would tear down all the settlements. And they would all join hands and sing kiblah.

I didn't say that, and you know it. My point is that support for populist (not populous) parties will always be high when people feel threatened. It is the same in Britain, the US and Europe.

I  argue that it would still be high either way

[Cyberman]

Hello, a christian friend recently told me the fact that Israel became a nation again proofs the bible is true as it is foretold in Ezekiel.

You sure it didn't happen because people read the prophecy and made it happen because they wanted to fulfill the prophecy?

Yesterday I had a prophecy that I was eating a meat feast pizza with extra pineapple. Imagine my surprise later that evening when I went and bought a meat feast pizza with extra pineapple for my tea. Prophet status: still unmatched.

[WinterHold]

Hello, a christian friend recently told me the fact that Israel became a nation again proofs the bible is true as it is foretold in Ezekiel.

Not too impressive of a fulfilled prophecy.

Everyone knew about the passages in the Bible, 1000's of people post WWII were actively working toward an Israeli state, there was zero god needed in the process.

Just more proof of the ultra-low bar Christians use for evidence for their beliefs have to clear.

Who needs Jews after a thousand years ?

I never give the bible any literal accuracy; knowing that I believe it was forged. So the whole prophecy is only translated to "Israel will be revived again".

So let's count the odds:

1-Muslim dominated region
2-Arab generated region
3-Secular world


Israel is an oasis in the center of desert badlands, universities and a nuclear program, next to the same people that made places like "Syria" active bloodbaths like Syria.

The odds are just too "woof" for a prophecy a thousand years old. Variables change.

[Brian37]

Not too impressive of a fulfilled prophecy.

Everyone knew about the passages in the Bible, 1000's of people post WWII were actively working toward an Israeli state, there was zero god needed in the process.

Just more proof of the ultra-low bar Christians use for evidence for their beliefs have to clear.

Who needs Jews after a thousand years ?

I never give the bible any literal accuracy; knowing that I believe it was forged. So the whole prophecy is only translated to "Israel will be revived again".

So let's count the odds:

1-Muslim dominated region
2-Arab generated region
3-Secular world


Israel is an oasis in the center of desert badlands, universities and a nuclear program, next to the same people that made places like "Syria" active bloodbaths like Syria.

The odds are just too "woof" for a prophecy a thousand years old. Variables change.

All religions are inventions of humans stemming from mundane competition. Some of the competition is from being sold the the delusion at birth, some of it is outright fraud, but they are still all made up. 

The early Hebrews were a splinter sect of Canaanite polytheism. Buddhism is a splinter sect of Hinduism. Funny how the religions of Abraham all started out in the same close proximity. Mesopotamia, Europe and northern Africa were not impossible to travel and mix, even back then. Just like early Buddhism was overlapping in close proximity and even in India's history being close to Asia.

[Brian37]

You sure it didn't happen because people read the prophecy and made it happen because they wanted to fulfill the prophecy?

Yesterday I had a prophecy that I was eating a meat feast pizza with extra pineapple. Imagine my surprise later that evening when I went and bought a meat feast pizza with extra pineapple for my tea. Prophet status: still unmatched.

That is the insidious flaw in our species. Even with no name small "cults" like Heaven's Gate. It isn't that there is any such thing as a prophecy, but in that humans will try to force an event after an ambiguous claim. Even cons like the ball and cup or three card Monty, and psychics work backwards like that. If you really want to see something that is not there it is very easy for a con, or deluded nut or both, to convince you of such. 

I used to work with an idiot at a pizza chain, that kept on claiming that when he would go out to smoke, it would make the phones ring. All I could think screaming in my head every time was, "no you fucking moron, the phone rings because we are open". Selection bias and sample rate error. He never noticed the times he was not interrupted nor all the other employees who also smoked who also didn't get interrupted sometimes. 

He even thought that because on a slow day, once, that three people in a row, after hours of no calls ordered the same pizza, that there was something spooky about it. Yea funny how he ignored, maybe because of marketing and it being lunch time the company bought TV adds selling it? He stupidly mentioned this to a customer and I responded, "What would amaze me is if three customers in a row called us asking to buy tires for their car".

Great analogy on your part.

[Isis]

1. If your asking me for historic solution (kind of futile now but) Israel should never have been reformed. And the Jews should have been permitted to build a Jewish  territory here in Canada( just like how we have allowed natives to)  as  a apology for turning away millions of Jews during Hitler's rise to power.

It's a lovely gesture, but it still wouldn't be their own state, though.

2. If you want a modern solution . Someone has to leave. If it were any two other nation a two state solution would work .the fact that it's these two nation as they are It can't work . That may sound pessimistic but it's how I feel.

I'm pretty positive that the two state solution would work, if both sides, especially the Palestinians, would calm the fuck down and try to work together. Regardless of the outcome or your feelings --  Israel isn't going anywhere.

About Identity sorry if that didn't show up my bad

So, you're happy that Israel's Jewish identity is under attack? You seem it.

[Amarok]

1. If your asking me for historic solution (kind of futile now but) Israel should never have been reformed. And the Jews should have been permitted to build a Jewish  territory here in Canada( just like how we have allowed natives to)  as  a apology for turning away millions of Jews during Hitler's rise to power.

It's a lovely gesture, but it still wouldn't be their own state, though.

It would be a semi autonomous state much like the one my own people the Inuit  were given. we are able to maintain out own laws . Our own language . Our own culture. were exempt from most taxes( thou I pay in Ottawa) . We are able trade on our own . And best of all they would be safe.

2. If you want a modern solution . Someone has to leave. If it were any two other nation a two state solution would work .the fact that it's these two nation as they are It can't work . That may sound pessimistic but it's how I feel.

I'm pretty positive that the two state solution would work, if both sides, especially the Palestinians, would calm the fuck down and try to work together. Regardless of the outcome or your feelings --  Israel isn't going anywhere.

To the first agreed to the later we have to see

About Identity sorry if that didn't show up my bad

So, you're happy that Israel's Jewish identity is under attack? You seem it.

No I was agreeing with you that this is a frequent tactic nationalists use . And I mentioned nothing of cultures

[Isis]

It would be a semi autonomous state much like the one my own people the Inuit  were given. we are able to maintain out own laws . Our own language . Our own culture. were exempt from most taxes( thou I pay in Ottawa) . We are able trade on our own . And best of all they would be safe.

Yeah, but that's still not a proper, fully independent state of their own, which a lot of the Jewish community (particularly the Zionists, obviously) wanted and eventually got.

To the first agreed to the later we have to see

No, there is no "wait and see" in this situation. Israel is a fully recognised, sovereign state. It isn't going anywhere.

No I was agreeing with you that this is a frequent tactic nationalists use . And I mentioned nothing of cultures

In that case, I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Amarok]

It would be a semi autonomous state much like the one my own people the Inuit  were given. we are able to maintain out own laws . Our own language . Our own culture. were exempt from most taxes( thou I pay in Ottawa) . We are able trade on our own . And best of all they would be safe.

Yeah, but that's still not a proper, fully independent state of their own, which a lot of the Jewish community (particularly the Zionists, obviously) wanted and eventually got.

To the first agreed to the later we have to see

No, there is no "wait and see" in this situation. Israel is a fully recognised, sovereign state. It isn't going anywhere.

What I mean is in the current climate I hope the people survive in fact that whole region of the world is a question mark

No I was agreeing with you that this is a frequent tactic nationalists use . And I mentioned nothing of cultures

In that case, I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

That's all right