What the name of God is.

[Jesster]

Straw men certainly don't try, either.

[Mystic]

I'm sorry mh.brewer you see it that way.

You guys always mention how are we connected to God if God exists. How can we know him. I am explaining it has to be by a leader and living guide that connects to God, a living connection who is the connector to God and is the connection by which we recognized the named in the beautiful names of God.

I am trying to show that knowledge of the self, knowledge of the Guide (Connection) and knowledge of the Absolute is one and the same.

I have always gone the root of talking about morality and value, etc, but now I going the route that morality is not conceptual, value is not conceptual, love is not mere emotion, we are connected by a mystic link to all things in the universe and the source of the mystic link, it's Lord and Creator.

It's the reality, it's the mystic link, it's the perception, that you guys always ask: "what is morality, what is objective morality, describe it etc"....and I left it fuzzy most of the time, but now am describing the tree of light we are all connected to.  The Love by which all are connected to each other and something beyond all of us.

Love is not a mere chemical, it is our leader channeling us his blessings and help, and calling us back to the path. He asks forgiveness for us and suffers when we sin or our souls perish or get darker, he is in deep sorrow, this tree of light connected to all us, he is our leader, our witness,  morality is not a concept, no such thing as a concept being binding us and making us obligated to value and love, that is absurd, it's a reality, and God is the source of it, but the connection is a living being, a real thing.

I don't know how you define preaching but I never seen Atheist ever justify love or morality or value or even why they should strive for anything meaningful or believing in meaning.

These things I describe not only answer what praise and morality is,  it shows why Quran has called it the name of God and emphasized on it being the name of God and emphasized on the Captains who are instances of the name of God and leaders of humans, and each human will be called with a leader from them, a driver, a witness....every people will be called with a witness from themselves.

It shows truly the only answer, if you would only give a ear.

What the hell are you talking about? We reject the claim of all god claims, not just your pet claim.

You guys always talk about how there is no way to know God exists....all the time. So if he exists, how do we know? This is basically the implicit premise when you say.... Why should we believe in God.... you are implying there is no good reason, no connection.

You always say if God exists, how do we know which one, Brahma, Yahweh, etc... so the implicit premise is if he exists, we have no way to know which one......

I am showing you God makes a living connection to him...and the connected to is Him although we never fully reach him, we know we are aiming in the right direction with the glorification, and so this is through the leader and guide of our time who's light extends to all things!

Not only that, but this is the true explanation of morality. Morality is a living reality we are obligated to, not some concept created by chemicals through evolution that is limited in some part of our biological brains that we are then obligated to follow or should follow or it's better for us to do so......

I showed an answer and when thought about, there is no other way for us to be connected then this. God is a living being, so his light and connection is a living being it's simple and manifest.

[Alex K]

I've never seen a Theist really justify love or why they should strive for anything meaningful.

At least we try, Atheists don't even try.

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Oh, my Go...I mean, Connection. OP was just....so beautiful...

Thank you!

I find this assertion very offensive.

[Mystic]

At least we try, Atheists don't even try.

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Thank you!

I find this assertion very offensive.

Where do you guys ever justify it? Some of you believe in it, some of you just assert it it should be believed in, but where do you attempt to justify it? Show me one thread.

[Jesster]

[Mister Agenda]

MK, why don't you become an Imam since you love to preach so much?

[Brian37]

What the hell are you talking about? We reject the claim of all god claims, not just your pet claim.

You guys always talk about how there is no way to know God exists....all the time. So if he exists, how do we know? This is basically the implicit premise when you say.... Why should we believe in God.... you are implying there is no good reason, no connection.

You always say if God exists, how do we know which one, Brahma, Yahweh, etc... so the implicit premise is if he exists, we have no way to know which one......

I am showing you God makes a living connection to him...and the connected to is Him although we never fully reach him, we know we are aiming in the right direction with the glorification, and so this is through the leader and guide of our time who's light extends to all things!

I don't speak for every atheist, nor do they speak for me. I think you should treat us as individuals.

Some atheists do say there there is no way to know. I hate those atheists putting it that way when what they really mean is that god/God claims cannot be falsified through scientific method.

I disagree. I am only "technically" and semantically only agnostic about the future. Currently though, my "God switch" is in the position of "off" as far as all past and present claims.

I don't like my fellow atheists claiming god claims cannot be falsified through scientific method. Victor Stenger in his book "The New Atheism" says that science DOES have something to say about god claims. I agree.

Not being able to see something directly is a fallacy. We can see the unseen indirectly through the sciences. It is why we know that black holes exist. It is why even a layperson knows wind exists even though it seems invisible we do see the effects it has on trees and bushes and leaves. 

I employ several factors in saying "God does not exist" and stand by that claim.

1. Ocham's Razor says that out of all claims people can make to attempt to fill in a gap, the postulated answer with the least baggage is going to be your most likely answer.

So, our species history has produced tons of dead myths and god claims nobody believes today, just like all the other god claims you rightfully reject. Ochams razor says to me that it is infinitely far more likely humans make them up.

2. Evolution PROVES that life evolved to gap fill. Life does not always have time to slow down to observe. Our fight and flight evolution lead our species to make bad guesses. We ended up projecting our own qualities on the world around us as a false perception as a placebo coping mechanism. By giving human qualities to say, volcanos, weather, animals, we created superstitions as a way to falsely "bargain" with the world around us. That did create groups and those groups grew larger even based on totally false claims. That in turn gave our species safety in numbers and more opportunity at resources and creating offspring.

3. We can detect the "unseen" through scientific method. It is why we have discovered black holes and particles smaller than an atom, like the Higgs/Bolson particle and neutrinos. It is because those unseen particles have an effect on the things we can see. Just like we can see a leaf blow across the road without seeing every individual molecule of our atmosphere which appears clear, which we call wind. 

I don't agree with my fellow atheists that we cant know. I'd only say that if the one claiming a god/God/deity/super natural is unwilling to test and falsify that claim in a neutral lab, it is a claim that is not worthy of consideration. But I wont back down off of the attitude, even if one is willing to try that, it will fail, for all the reasons I stated above.

NO I don't know the future. But I also wont waste my time on a claim if someone were claiming an invisible pink unicorn farted us into existence. i wont lose any sleep ditching that claim either.

[Mystic]

You guys always talk about how there is no way to know God exists....all the time. So if he exists, how do we know? This is basically the implicit premise when you say.... Why should we believe in God.... you are implying there is no good reason, no connection.

You always say if God exists, how do we know which one, Brahma, Yahweh, etc... so the implicit premise is if he exists, we have no way to know which one......

I am showing you God makes a living connection to him...and the connected to is Him although we never fully reach him, we know we are aiming in the right direction with the glorification, and so this is through the leader and guide of our time who's light extends to all things!

I don't speak for every atheist, nor do they speak for me. I think you should treat us as individuals.

Some atheists do say there there is no way to know. I hate those atheists putting it that way when what they really mean is that god/God claims cannot be falsified through scientific method.

I disagree. I am only "technically" and semantically only agnostic about the future. Currently though, my "God switch" is in the position of "off" as far as all past and present claims.

I don't like my fellow atheists claiming god claims cannot be falsified through scientific method. Victor Stenger in his book "The New Atheism" says that science DOES have something to say about god claims. I agree.

Not being able to see something directly is a fallacy. We can see the unseen indirectly through the sciences. It is why we know that black holes exist. It is why even a layperson knows wind exists even though it seems invisible we do see the effects it has on trees and bushes and leaves. 

I employ several factors in saying "God does not exist" and stand by that claim.

1. Ocham's Razor says that out of all claims people can make to attempt to fill in a gap, the postulated answer with the least baggage is going to be your most likely answer.

So, our species history has produced tons of dead myths and god claims nobody believes today, just like all the other god claims you rightfully reject. Ochams razor says to me that it is infinitely far more likely humans make them up.

2. Evolution PROVES that life evolved to gap fill. Life does not always have time to slow down to observe. Our fight and flight evolution lead our species to make bad guesses. We ended up projecting our own qualities on the world around us as a false perception as a placebo coping mechanism. By giving human qualities to say, volcanos, weather, animals, we created superstitions as a way to falsely "bargain" with the world around us. That did create groups and those groups grew larger even based on totally false claims. That in turn gave our species safety in numbers and more opportunity at resources and creating offspring.

3. We can detect the "unseen" through scientific method. It is why we have discovered black holes and particles smaller than an atom, like the Higgs/Bolson particle and neutrinos. It is because those unseen particles have an effect on the things we can see. Just like we can see a leaf blow across the road without seeing every individual molecule of our atmosphere which appears clear, which we call wind. 

I don't agree with my fellow atheists that we cant know. I'd only say that if the one claiming a god/God/deity/super natural is unwilling to test and falsify that claim in a neutral lab, it is a claim that is not worthy of consideration. But I wont back down off of the attitude, even if one is willing to try that, it will fail, for all the reasons I stated above.

NO I don't know the future. But I also wont waste my time on a claim if someone were claiming an invisible pink unicorn farted us into existence. i wont lose any sleep ditching that claim either.

I am going to make a thread of sciencetism. I will see you there. But in a couple of days since I have assignments due soon!

[Brian37]

MK, why don't you become an Imam since you love to preach so much?

No, we don't need more Imams or preachers or ministers or rabbis or monks. Our world has far too much religious division.

[Mister Agenda]

MK, why don't you become an Imam since you love to preach so much?

No, we don't need more Imams or preachers or ministers or rabbis or monks. Our world has far too much religious division.

Dude, it's career advice, not a prescription for the world, and the more religious division within Islam, the better I think. If MK comes up with his own Islamic sect, all the better.