How to start a new sect/new religion for dummies.

[Brian37]

^there is no pointing in telling everyone there are false religions. Everyone understands that even as children.

If there is another point to be made that isn't obvious, then make it. This does nothing to help the case of Atheists.

MK we really DO get that you like what you believe, we do get that part. What you don't get because you are like a teen pining after the cheerleader who doesn't exist, is that everyone has a fictional cheerleader they want to date.

I swear man, you sound like me when I first saw a girl named Ann at Church. Her looks knocked me over and when I first laid eyes on her, I had already had a childhood of all sorts of mass media romance bullshit. Boy meets girl, boy gets girl, love wins. You talk about the Koran and Allah and Mo like a celebrity stalker. Like a teen girl throwing her panties at Elvis Presley.

I am not kidding one bit. You confuse your emotions with facts nothing more. You act like I did pining after Ann. I had conversations with her in my head making up an imaginary relationship that was not there. And when others point to you you are no different with your dreamy eyed imaginary "relationship", you react EXACTLY like I did when Ann REJECTED ME. At least with my bullshit I could point to a real person.

MK I really DONT want to see you destroy your life over your hormones and emotions. I know personally what it is like to waste YEARS, which is what I did pining after a non existent relationship. We get that you like what you believe but so what. I wanted to believe so fucking bad that if Ann would simply hear me say "I love you", she'd be in love with me and we would be in a relationship.

That is how Christians and Jews ALSO feel about their versions of a FICTIONAL non existent relationship. We promise nothing bad will happen to you if you grow up. I look back at the time I wasted pining after a relationship that wasn't going to happen. You can grow up too.

[Mystic]

It will seem like that to you naturally. It's been noted. We can discuss the proofs I offer for Islam or you can just keep repeating everyone believes in their religion and loves it.

[Brian37]

It will seem like that to you naturally. It's been noted. We can discuss the proofs I offer for Islam or you can just keep repeating everyone believes in their religion and loves it.

You only have proof of a history of claims so what. Christians have an even longer history of their claims and Jews have an even longer history than Christian or Muslim's claims, but guess what, Buddhists have an even older history of claims and GASP Hindus have an even older history of claims.

Tradition is not an argument, it is not a "proof".

Please stop throwing your panties at Elvis. You remind me of how I embarrassed myself stupidly throwing myself at a girl who would never love me. Your life wont end if you figure out you don't need that book. Just like my life didn't end because Ann didn't want a relationship with me.

[Mystic]

It will seem like that to you naturally. It's been noted. We can discuss the proofs I offer for Islam or you can just keep repeating everyone believes in their religion and loves it.

You only have proof of a history of claims so what. Christians have an even longer history of their claims and Jews have an even longer history than Christian or Muslim's claims, but guess what, Buddhists have an even older history of claims and GASP Hindus have an even older history of claims.

Tradition is not an argument, it is not a "proof".

Please stop throwing your panties at Elvis. You remind me of how I embarrassed myself stupidly throwing myself at a girl who would never love me. Your life wont end if you figure out you don't need that book. Just like my life didn't end because Ann didn't want a relationship with me.

Let me know when you are willing to discuss the proofs I offer.

[Brian37]

You only have proof of a history of claims so what. Christians have an even longer history of their claims and Jews have an even longer history than Christian or Muslim's claims, but guess what, Buddhists have an even older history of claims and GASP Hindus have an even older history of claims.

Tradition is not an argument, it is not a "proof".

Please stop throwing your panties at Elvis. You remind me of how I embarrassed myself stupidly throwing myself at a girl who would never love me. Your life wont end if you figure out you don't need that book. Just like my life didn't end because Ann didn't want a relationship with me.

Let me know when you are willing to discuss the proofs I offer.

You are offering claims, not proofs. Please knock it off. You've been on this board for years, you should know better.

[Mystic]

Let me know when you are willing to discuss the proofs I offer.

You are offering claims, not proofs. Please knock it off. You've been on this board for years, you should know better.

Well, again, when you are willing to discuss what I perceive to be proofs, then let me know.

[Brian37]

You are offering claims, not proofs. Please knock it off. You've been on this board for years, you should know better.

Well, again, when you are willing to discuss what I perceive to be proofs, then let me know.

Out of all the Christians and even with Atlas I really have tried to cut you far more slack than I do others, because I see that same dreamy eyed delusion in you I saw in myself growing up. Not just with girls, but religion as well, I really wanted something or someone to belong to. When it wasn't religion it was girls, when it wasn't those it was desperately wanting friends, when it wasn't that it was celebrity worship. I stalked rock star Pat Benatar for years. 

Please try to put your religion aside for a second. I really want you to understand what you are NEEDLESSLY doing to yourself mentally. If you cannot debate without posting dream stories you are needlessly torturing yourself. I am being dead serious. 

Just like I tortured myself trying to convince myself Ann loved me. Just like I tortured myself trying to be part of my church. Just like I tortured myself thinking I could be friends with Pat Benatar if we just met. 

But my patience is wearing thin. I see my own obsessive behaviors in you the way you post. I am telling you, that is not good for YOU mentally. 

I don't hate you, but I do hate your obsessive posting of dreamy fluff. It reminds me of my obsession of Ann and Pat Benatar. Stop posting like a stalker and debate. Stop obsessing over the fact we are not buying your stories. If you cannot do that, you are seriously going to go down a very dark road needlessly. That will only hurt you, not us. Dont do that to yourself.

[Mystic]

Again, we can discuss the proofs I claim to have, whenever you are ready.

[Brian37]

Again, we can discuss the proofs I claim to have, whenever you are ready.

You have no proofs, just claims. I am not your girlfriend or a celebrity for you to "show your love" for. Now keep it up and I will really take my verbal gloves off. It takes a lot for me to be really ticked at someone, you are reaching that point.

You have no proof, just like Christians and Jews have no proofs. If you cannot understand that that is your baggage not mine. 

Debate but knock of the fucking preaching. Stop posting dreamy fluff crap. You are only torturing yourself by doing that.

[Harry Nevis]

Do you believe humans are capable of distinguishing between clear proof and claims without proof?

You certainly aren't.  But sane people can.

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^there is no pointing in telling everyone there are false religions. Everyone understands that even as children.

If there is another point to be made that isn't obvious, then make it. This does nothing to help the case of Atheists.

Our case needs no help.  You're the one spouting delusions.

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It will seem like that to you naturally. It's been noted. We can discuss the proofs I offer for Islam or you can just keep repeating everyone believes in their religion and loves it.

Still waiting for you to offer a proof.  Or to realize you have no idea what the word means.

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You are offering claims, not proofs. Please knock it off. You've been on this board for years, you should know better.

Well, again, when you are willing to discuss what I perceive to be proofs, then let me know.

Fuck what you perceive to be a proof.  You're perception is clogged by bullshit.