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RE: By the sun and its morning. ( 2 ) And [by] the moon when it follows it
April 11, 2017 at 3:36 pm (This post was last modified: April 11, 2017 at 3:36 pm by The Valkyrie.)
Quote:If God chose you to be a prophet, who am I to object?
But you lack convincing signs like the Quran, or giving birth to Jesus, you don't have a cane that turns into a snake and your hand doesn't turn white.
The Sura is quite strange for its time. Quite modern? Why would a bedwin Sheppard care about such things?
He didn't abuse kids. Rather defined a new age for them, took them out of the dark ages they used to roam.
Why would I aim at being something as lowly as a prophet?
Aim high with your goals, man.
Anyway, the signs for a prophet as you seem to put them are silly.
1. The Koran isn't a convincing sign. It's a badly written book.
2. Why would I want to give birth to a Mexican?
3. No, I don't have a cane that turns into a snake, but I DO have a Jedi fighter that transforms into a robot. And that Jedi fighter is real. I have physical proof.
4. Of course my hand doesn't turn white. I'm already white. But, given the right conditions, my whole body turns brown.
RE: By the sun and its morning. ( 2 ) And [by] the moon when it follows it
April 11, 2017 at 3:50 pm
(April 11, 2017 at 7:05 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: you don't have a cane that turns into a snake
I do.
(April 11, 2017 at 7:05 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: and your hand doesn't turn white.
You'd be surprised.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: By the sun and its morning. ( 2 ) And [by] the moon when it follows it
April 11, 2017 at 7:38 pm (This post was last modified: April 11, 2017 at 7:40 pm by WinterHold.)
(April 11, 2017 at 1:49 pm)Cyberman Wrote: I prefer Assam or Darjeeling, no milk (barbarian!). Earl Grey if you have it.
Black tea have a bitter taste if you use low sugar and don't break the taste with something else like mint; that's why I like to break the taste with milk later in my day. Can't claim I have experience with these Indian flavors; it's all "Lipton" black tea on my side.
It's like a Lipton monopoly over here, if you ever found "Lipton Moroccan tea", don't be cheap on sugar, just have one bag and I'm sure you'll thank me.
downtheplumb
Children's teeth won't handle chewing it probably.
You might end up with a tooth in one of the loafs if they have falling teeth. To be honest I know nothing about kids, but I remember enjoying bread in soup when I was a kid.
So put them loafs in a soup. Crumbs would be no more.
The Valkyrie
A Prophet holds the truth, reporting it also. What is better than knowing the absolute truth?
Quote:1. The Koran isn't a convincing sign. It's a badly written book.
It's a matter of perspective. 1400 years didn't break it; neither the civil wars between Muslim sects; nor external invasions by other religious or non religious factions.
Quote:2. Why would I want to give birth to a Mexican?
These lines:
Sura 19, Page 307, The Quran
( 16 ) And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east. ( 17 ) And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man. ( 18 ) She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah." ( 19 ) He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy." ( 20 ) She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?" ( 21 ) He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' " ( 22 ) So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place. ( 23 ) And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten." ( 24 ) But he called her from below her, "Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream. ( 25 ) And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates. ( 26 ) So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.' " ( 27 ) Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented. ( 28 ) O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste." ( 29 ) So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?" ( 30 ) [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. ( 31 ) And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive ( 32 ) And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant. ( 33 ) And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive." ( 34 ) That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.
Verse 33 and 34 are some of the most beautiful lines I ever read.
Being the mother of the servant of God, the blessed, is something amazing. And watching the faces of the sexist men who accused Mary of adultery when baby Jesus talked is something.
Quote:3. No, I don't have a cane that turns into a snake, but I DO have a Jedi fighter that transforms into a robot. And that Jedi fighter is real. I have physical proof.
You're mistaking Toy Story with Star Wars.
Quote:4. Of course my hand doesn't turn white. I'm already white. But, given the right conditions, my whole body turns brown.
You mean "bronze". Don't do tans. White is pretty fine; my opinion though.
According to some interpretations, Moses had Leprosy. I remember reading it somewhere. White meant cured in that context.
Claims are not proof; I agree. These stories mean nothing if the rest of the book was messed up. But it's not. And so they mattered.
RE: By the sun and its morning. ( 2 ) And [by] the moon when it follows it
April 11, 2017 at 7:41 pm
(April 11, 2017 at 7:38 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Cyberman
Quote:I do
Hi, David Copperfield
Somehow I think the point got lost somewhere in translation...
Maybe it's better that way.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: By the sun and its morning. ( 2 ) And [by] the moon when it follows it
April 11, 2017 at 7:42 pm
Oh and please learn to quote properly. It's really not that hard - as Mae West said to the bishop.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'