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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 7:52 pm
(April 9, 2017 at 6:00 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: Had a recent conversation with close friends about my past addictions and realized how foreign the world of drug addiction is to "normal people."
No question is too personal!
Also have, at times in the past, developed bad habits with cannabis, crack, PCP and prescription opiates.... though I've pretty much tried it all except methamphetamine and maybe some obscure research chemicals.
But in light of the opiate epidemic that has plagued the US in the last ten years or so...
Ask a former IV heroin addict
The first time you stuck a needle in your arm (before you were addicted) did it cross your mind that what you were about to do was really stupid?
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 7:56 pm
(April 9, 2017 at 6:00 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: Had a recent conversation with close friends about my past addictions and realized how foreign the world of drug addiction is to "normal people."
No question is too personal!
Also have, at times in the past, developed bad habits with cannabis, crack, PCP and prescription opiates.... though I've pretty much tried it all except methamphetamine and maybe some obscure research chemicals.
But in light of the opiate epidemic that has plagued the US in the last ten years or so...
Ask a former IV heroin addict
I have a question for you and the other ex-addicts here.
After Jesus helped you change your life, and get you off drugs, why did you walk away from HIM?
Because of course, only Jesus can change people's life...right?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 8:09 pm
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(April 10, 2017 at 7:52 pm)Crunchy Wrote: The first time you stuck a needle in your arm (before you were addicted) did it cross your mind that what you were about to do was really stupid?
Actually, no. I think when you're on heavy drugs your thinking is so clouded that you can't really correctly analyze a situation even if you wanted to.
That being said, I didn't care to examine myself during that period of time, I was too concerned with getting high and I think I would have done anything to rationalize getting a bigger, better high.
edit: it's also worth mentioning that by the time I injected heroin for the first time I was already pretty addicted to heroin mentally, so injecting I guess didn't seem like that big of a step up.
(April 10, 2017 at 7:56 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: I have a question for you and the other ex-addicts here.
After Jesus helped you change your life, and get you off drugs, why did you walk away from HIM?
Because of course, only Jesus can change people's life...right?
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 8:09 pm
(April 10, 2017 at 5:41 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (April 10, 2017 at 5:39 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Mail me a hundred lot of rigs, then I'll talk.
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Oh my, yes you certainly do!
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 10:01 pm
(April 10, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Hey, congrats on getting clean! 
How did you quit? Was it cold turkey? Did you quit all the drugs you were doing at one time?
Can you explain what withdrawal is like?
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 10:03 pm
(April 10, 2017 at 8:09 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: Actually, no. I think when you're on heavy drugs your thinking is so clouded that you can't really correctly analyze a situation even if you wanted to.
Well, I always had the wherewithal to stay away from a needle. Even though I was extremely self-destructive, I knew that once you cross that line, it's extremely difficult to come back from. I could see the effect it had on the people around me using needles, and I knew I would lose control if I went there. Maybe I was just always holding out hope that life didn't have to be like that.
Have you been following the opiate epidemic? Part of the reason overdoses are so prevalent right now is that dealers have started cutting heroin with carfentanyl, which is an analogue of fentanyl. For those that aren't aware, fentanyl is so powerful that doses are measured in micrograms, so the addicts that have a tolerance to heroin ingest the large amount it takes to get them high. Only they're ingesting a much more powerful drug that they don't have a tolerance to and dying. There was one small town in West Virginia that had something like 25-30 overdoses in one day because of carfentanyl.
Here's some statistics for anyone interested in just how much overdoses have increased since 2002...
https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics...eath-rates
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 10:40 pm
(April 10, 2017 at 10:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (April 10, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Hey, congrats on getting clean!
How did you quit? Was it cold turkey? Did you quit all the drugs you were doing at one time?
Can you explain what withdrawal is like?
You didn't answer my questions, you hoe!
Damn catlady my bad lol i didn't even see em
I ended up asking my family for help actually and despite how much of an ass I was to them they helped get me into a detox center and then a sober living house after that. So no I didn't really quit cold turkey because during detox they give you small amounts of opiates to help ease the withdrawal... though before that I had quit cold turkey at times and forced myself to go through the withdrawal. And yes quit everything at once though heroin was the only thing I had true physical withdrawal from
Heroin withdrawal is terrible. It's like the worst flu you've ever had times 10. One minute you feel cold all the way down to your bones.. the next minute you're hot. Then you'll get cold sweats. You get incredibly tired but you're unable to sleep. Then at times you're crawling up the walls because your mind is racing 1000mph and you know all you need to do is go get more heroin to make it all stop. All the while your stomach does flip flops and cramps up... you have horrible diarrhea (though you probably like that part, huh) and you throw up constantly. It's really terrible and it lasts for about a week depending on how bad your habit it. even after that week you still don't feel right for like a month. I've heard methadone withdrawal is even worse and lasts even longer.
(April 10, 2017 at 10:03 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Well, I always had the wherewithal to stay away from a needle. Even though I was extremely self-destructive, I knew that once you cross that line, it's extremely difficult to come back from. I could see the effect it had on the people around me using needles, and I knew I would lose control if I went there. Maybe I was just always holding out hope that life didn't have to be like that.
Have you been following the opiate epidemic? Part of the reason overdoses are so prevalent right now is that dealers have started cutting heroin with carfentanyl, which is an analogue of fentanyl. For those that aren't aware, fentanyl is so powerful that doses are measured in micrograms, so the addicts that have a tolerance to heroin ingest the large amount it takes to get them high. Only they're ingesting a much more powerful drug that they don't have a tolerance to and dying. There was one small town in West Virginia that had something like 25-30 overdoses in one day because of carfentanyl.
Here's some statistics for anyone interested in just how much overdoses have increased since 2002...
https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics...eath-rates Yea I know people who developed a really bad percocet habit but never snorted a pill in their life. I suppose everyone draws a different line somewhere.
And yea I was well aware of everything throughout my addiction I suppose I just didn't care. I'm pretty confident that I've never unknowingly taken fentanyl, though I suppose you never really know. Fentanyl produces a very short high and is in my opinion distinctly different from the high heroin produces. I had access to lab grade fentanyl at one point (I can't say how or where I obtained it because I would be risking other people's freedom) so I was always able to safely take it without worry of overdosing and it's not quite as euphoric as heroin in my opinion. But yea surprisingly fentanyl and carfentanyl is what's really killing people out here, not so much heroin.
Even before the flood of fentanyl and its analogues began most people who overdosed on opiates actually died because they mixed opiates with benzos or alcohol. That's not to say heroin is safe by any means, however.
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Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 11:04 pm
Wow, that's insane. I'm sorry you had to go through that, but good on you for having stuck it out.
Can you explain, like, biologically, why detoxing from these drugs is so hard on your body? It seems like quitting something bad would feel good on the body, so it's weird that it feels like crap before it gets better.
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 10, 2017 at 11:44 pm
(April 10, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Wow, that's insane. I'm sorry you had to go through that, but good on you for having stuck it out.
Can you explain, like, biologically, why detoxing from these drugs is so hard on your body? It seems like quitting something bad would feel good on the body, so it's weird that it feels like crap before it gets better.
Much appreciated.
Because using heroin causes your brain to release massive amounts of dopamine into your system. After some time your body physically becomes dependent on that outside source of dopamine and stops producing the chemical on its own. So when you stop using heroin it takes a while for your body to start producing dopamine on its own again and up until your body balances out chemically, you experience that lack of dopamine as heroin withdrawal.
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Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: Ask a former IV heroin addict
April 11, 2017 at 12:05 am
(April 10, 2017 at 10:40 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: Yea I know people who developed a really bad percocet habit but never snorted a pill in their life. I suppose everyone draws a different line somewhere.
And yea I was well aware of everything throughout my addiction I suppose I just didn't care. I'm pretty confident that I've never unknowingly taken fentanyl, though I suppose you never really know. Fentanyl produces a very short high and is in my opinion distinctly different from the high heroin produces. I had access to lab grade fentanyl at one point (I can't say how or where I obtained it because I would be risking other people's freedom) so I was always able to safely take it without worry of overdosing and it's not quite as euphoric as heroin in my opinion. But yea surprisingly fentanyl and carfentanyl is what's really killing people out here, not so much heroin.
"Lab grade"? What, you mean like the actiqs or the patches? Street fentanyl wasn't a thing when I was using, but the pharmaceutical stuff came around a lot. It gave me one of the worst hangovers I've ever had.
(April 10, 2017 at 10:40 pm)AceBoogie Wrote: Even before the flood of fentanyl and its analogues began most people who overdosed on opiates actually died because they mixed opiates with benzos or alcohol. That's not to say heroin is safe by any means, however.
Yeah, the guy I used to get oxy from would shoot up benzos and opiates all of the time. He mixed all kinds of crazy things with oxy and would save all of his cotton balls. Then, when he couldn't find any drugs, he would melt down all of his used cotton balls that probably contained about 5-10 different drugs and shoot that up.
People do crazy shit with drugs. All the while that I abused opiates I had a large prescription for ativan. I'm probably lucky that I didn't get sick, but I never hit the opiates very hard. I developed a daily habit for a little bit, but it was small doses.
Did you go on suboxone?
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