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Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
(September 25, 2010 at 9:09 pm)Tiberius Wrote:
(September 25, 2010 at 8:58 pm)A Theist Wrote: Can any of you prove that God does not exist?
No, but that wasn't the point of the debate. In fact, Dawkins has repeatedly said in the past that he doesn't believe you can prove God doesn't exist.

However, just because you cannot prove something doesn't exist, doesn't mean that "something" is any more likely to exist. You need evidence to back up the existence of something, and without that evidence, there is no rational reason to believe something exists in the first place.
You said,
"In fact, Dawkins has repeatedly said in the past that he doesn't believe you can prove God doesn't exist"...
"However, just because you cannot prove something doesn't exist,"...

"You need evidence to back up the existence of something, and without that evidence, there is no rational reason to believe something exists in the first place."...
Agreed...but wouldn't the same rules apply if you're going to argue that God does not exist?

"No, but that wasn't the point of the debate."...
What did you think of "The Young Turks" point by point assessment of the debate between Bill O'Reilly and Richard Dawkins?

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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
(September 25, 2010 at 9:42 pm)A Theist Wrote: Agreed...but wouldn't the same rules apply if you're going to argue that God does not exist?
Yes. Dawkins wasn't arguing about this though. He was arguing that evolution is science, and so should be taught in science class. Science doesn't know everything about evolution, but that doesn't mean that you can just insert any other idea in its place.

Quote:What did you think of "The Young Turks" point by point assessment of the debate between Bill O'Reilly and Richard Dawkins?
I disagree with them. I don't think that one wins debates by acting like an asshole in the way O'Reilly did. I think one wins debates by sticking to the subject, and arguing one's points clearly.

Judging by the comments in this thread, it seems that I'm not the only one who sees through O'Reilly's tactics. He is being dishonest in an attempt to appeal to his viewers, rather than having an honest debate and playing fair.
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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
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Next time, just ask and we'll explain the big words to you.

Now, go rub your Sarah Palin doll on your crotch.
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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
(September 25, 2010 at 3:20 pm)A Theist Wrote: Bill O'Reilly debates Richard Dawkins and wins. What do you think?

O'Reily won that arguement? How do you figure?
Dawkins was the only one of the two to actually attempt to make an arguement and he refuted O'Reily's points but this was barely an arguement than it was two people quickly stating their positions, saying that the other person is wrong, and moving to commercial.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
A Theist Wrote:]"Just because we don't have all the answers..."
"No one knows how everything came about,..."
"Of course science doesn't have all the answers, no one claims that it does."
" It doesn't claim to "know" anything."
"Dawkins repeatedly pointed out that of course science does not have all the answers"
"Science does not make claims of absolute truth, "
"Science does NOT have all the answers, that is WHY it is science."
"If science had everything figured out, it would be then cease to exist,"... (sort of like guessing. if you had everything figured out, it would no longer be guess work).

Can any of you prove that God does not exist

Im not going to bash on people for not believing in God, but I dont think anyone who calls themselves atheist should ever say "There is no God" in any sort of affirmative way. The proper answer is "I just dont know"
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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
(September 26, 2010 at 2:16 am)blood_pardon Wrote: not going to bash on people for not believing in God, but I dont think anyone who calls themselves atheist should ever say "There is no God" in any sort of affirmative way. The proper answer is "I just dont know"

As an agnostic atheist I don't say that there isn't a god, because I don't know for sure. I just lack belief in it.
I also think theists shouldn't say "There is a god". The "I don't know" belongs on both sides. Because no one knows.Smile

Some go about claiming why/how everything came about but I won't (I think it's that huge need/desire if you will to answer something we know nothing about). Because I think it's smarter to say "I don't know" than to go about making baseless claims.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins

Ace Wrote:As an agnostic atheist I don't say that there isn't a god, because I don't know for sure. I just lack belief in it.
I also think theists shouldn't say "There is a god". The "I don't know" belongs on both sides. Because no one knows.

Some go about claiming why/how everything came about but I won't (I think it's that huge need/desire if you will to answer something we know nothing about). Because I think it's smarter to say "I don't know" than to go about making baseless claims.

The only reason I can say "I know there is a God" is because of an on going personal relationship with Him. I like what a man said once "There are three choices. Im a mad man, Im lying, or what Im telling you is the truth"

God is initiating a response from me almost daily, he corrects me for sin in my life, he leads me to hear certain teaching , he puts a deep desire in my heart for me to seek Him, he has brought so much peace and joy into my marriage. And He provides my needs abundantly! An example of this is the other day in wal-mart my wife and I are walking by these lava lamps and she says she wants to get one of those because she remembers having one when she was younger and 3 days later guess what? TWO BRAND NEW lava lamps in the box just sitting by the dumpster! What the...?

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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
blood_pardon, don't take it personaly....but I think you are completely insane. No offence. Big Grin

From my point of view, you think you know there is a god. I don't believe you do just as I don't believe in god.

You can say you know there is a god, but as you know without evidence....there is no credibility.
I don't know whether a god exists or not and nor does anyone else. Just as nobody knows how everything came about.

The best explanation for the unknown is "I don't know".
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
(September 25, 2010 at 6:20 pm)A Theist Wrote: Dawkins had no point to stand on when O'Reilly got him to admit that science doesn't have all the answers. No way was Dawkins the clear cut winner.
What did you think of the "The Young Turks" assessment of the debate?

What are you talking about? That is the point. There's nothing wrong with admitting that "science" (which is a term that describes EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE) does not have all the answers.

In fact, to start an assessment of something, the first thing that comes to mind should always be the statement, "I do not know."

This is why we seek answers.

Nobody has all the answers about anything, period.

I don't, and neither do you.

PS. Just to be clear, the reason why any logical person would start with the statement, "I do not know," is important for 2 reasons:

1) Confirming you do not know, so you can seek out the answer.
2) So you don't make a baseless assumption. (IE. God did it.)

I like the way you think!
...But please stop thinking, it's not you.
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RE: Bill O'Reilly punks Richard Dawkins
Quote:blood_pardon, don't take it personaly....but I think you are completely insane. No offence
i get that all the time IDK why...

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