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Great marriage advice.
#11
RE: Great marriage advice.
(April 17, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(April 17, 2017 at 12:56 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I disagree. Morals are subjective.

Certainly, as evidenced by the fact that morality evolves, just like everything else.

I don't even understand that. What evidence of evolving?
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#12
RE: Great marriage advice.
(April 17, 2017 at 1:46 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(April 17, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Certainly, as evidenced by the fact that morality evolves, just like everything else.

I don't even understand that. What evidence of evolving?

Morality only evolves as we creatures do and have evolved, therefore morality is as subjective as evolution itself. (i.e. not at all)

No person chose to have empathy as a huge part of human nature. It doesn't matter at all that some individuals can be psychopathic and lack empathy just as it doesn't matter than some people are suicidal. Empathy is an evolved characteristic that benefits intelligent social creatures like us en masse. Until you can demonstrate that evolution is subjective, you won't be able to demonstrate that morality is subjective.
If god was real he wouldn't need middle men to explain his wants or do his bidding.
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#13
RE: Great marriage advice.
Putting each other first is a basic, common sense principle of marriage lol. This is nothing new or enlightening.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#14
RE: Great marriage advice.
(April 17, 2017 at 2:00 pm)Crunchy Wrote:
(April 17, 2017 at 1:46 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I don't even understand that. What evidence of evolving?

Morality only evolves as we creatures do and have evolved, therefore morality is as subjective as evolution itself. (i.e. not at all)

No person chose to have empathy as a huge part of human nature. It doesn't matter at all that some individuals can be psychopathic and lack empathy just as it doesn't matter than some people are suicidal. Empathy is an evolved characteristic that benefits intelligent social creatures like us en masse. Until you can demonstrate that evolution is subjective, you won't be able to demonstrate that morality is subjective.

Empathy is not necessarily morality. So far all I see from you is a position that morality evolves. I say that morality or what is considered moral changes and not always for the better and not necessarily driven by evolution. 

You did hit on one piece that governs a part of the subjectivity of morality, society. The society, for the most part, will dictate what is considered moral. 

And it does matter on an individual level. 

Ever consider the concept of set and setting (minus the drug component) when it comes to morality?
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#15
RE: Great marriage advice.
I'm not selfish, but put yourself first.
You are getting married to satisfy an interest only you know; she wants to get married for personal reasons also.

The man/woman of our dreams are that of our dreams; our. Our dream; our imagination, our thought; the work of our brain.
You put her first so an interest is answered; she too.

Years and years of building up the essence of that dream.

So eventually only you can answer: is Meriam the right one for you?
Consult yourself, interrogate it. Reply that dream and look at the face of your lady once and twice.

Interest is your guarantee not to abuse the kids you might someday have. Not to abuse her too.
If unexplained love is your answer; I salute you.
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#16
RE: Great marriage advice.
I'll pass along the best marriage advice I ever heard: "Never stop dating your wife."
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#17
RE: Great marriage advice.
(April 17, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I'll pass along the best marriage advice I ever heard: "Never stop dating your wife."

My wife made me stop at 49. I'm not even allowed to calculate in my head.
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#18
RE: Great marriage advice.
I agree, MH, empathy and other innate emotions that encourage relationships are not morality.

I also think a successful marriage is more complicated than following the reciprocal ethic in every aspect of the relationship.

-Jeanne
"The Ox is slow, but the Earth is patient."
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#19
RE: Great marriage advice.
(April 17, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Isis Wrote: Don't get married in the first place, probably the best advice of all.

This was going to be my primary contribution.

You want to put a ring on my finger?

No thanks, I can buy my own.
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#20
RE: Great marriage advice.
A wise person once said "Marriage is the leading cause of divorce."

Itchy throat...watery eyes... excuse me while I get a benadryl, my marriage allergy is flaring up Big Grin

-Teresa
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