Do you think Trump supporters are too stupid to realize they are stupid

[Brian37]

Fuck you. We don't want to hear shit from you after 5 years of Trump'd demagoguery of Obama long before she ran, and his vile campaign was not just attacking her, he couldn't even leave McCain alone or intel alone. He treated everyone in his party primaries like shit too. 

Let me tell you what that asshole will leave us with, the same shit Bush left us with, IF we are lucky, but it will be worse, if we are lucky he wont tweet us into WW3.

In America we have elections every year so in November 17 and November 18 and November 19 I will be voting against all the fucking GOP assholes in my state, and I will vote in 2020 for any democrat that wins our nomination. 

Not about getting over it asshole. You like a self centered asshole bully narcissist. Assholes like that run dictatorships and banana republics. I could give a shit less about Hillary now, that is done and over. His TONE is not good for politics and his tone is what leads to erosion of pluralism long term. If other politicians take his attitude that they can demagogue and vilify to a win, that can have potential to destroy our western system.

I don't like bullies so no, I will NOT get over it. For me, it is not about her, but his vile political demagoguery that he aimed at even his own as well as entire groups of people.

This is one of the best examples of hatred I've seen lately.  Don't worry about destroying our western system.  It's already been destroyed and is being played out on college campuses and in the streets.

Nope you don't get to equate hate of a bully as being the same as being a bully. You also don't get to equate hate of bad policy the same as bigotry.

And maybe you didn't read where I took on fellow atheist Minn when he suggests we should write off every white person living in a red state. 

Yea I do hate political demagoguery, that is the type of shit that leads to leaders like Un and Hitler. 

BULLSHIT, if you are talking about the recent Berkley event, those were not the students, but people from off campus. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I would let Ann Coulter speak, I fucking hate her, but to me, I could introduce her without violence, publicly call her bullshit out before she spoke, and then have fun watching the audience laugh in her face. 

How fucking dare you accuse me or even most of the left of valuing violence, we don't. Same fucking bullshit the right pulls after a black guy dies by cop, the right always puts up bullshit that focus's on the few and ignores the majority that dont do that.

You "ALL LIBERALS ARE VIOLENT" 

You "All LIBERALS HATE FREE SPEECH"

Nope, sorry, reality does not work like that. 

I will not apologize for my blasphemy, but don't you dare equate that to the same thing as political demagoguery or value of violence.

[Thumpalumpacus]

What does that say, however, about the team they were nevertheless smart enough to beat ?

That they took the electorate for granted ... that's my takeaway.

[Brian37]

Lek, as much as I hate Trump, I would never advocate violence to his supporters EVER. If you break the law you should be arrested. Now tell me what is this bullshit about everyone on the left valuing violence?

I hate HIM. My mom was a lifetime voting republican mostly. I don't hate her. I am white, but I also don't hate all "rednecks" who live in red states, because not all "rednecks" are asshole bigots. Just like all Atheists are not economic liberals, some atheists did vote GOP.

I still in the end treat everyone as an individual. I hate bigotry and I hate bullies, but if you stupidly think you are being bullied on this website, you'd be wrong. It would only be bullying if someone knocked down your door and forced you to be here and wouldn't let you leave.

I DON'T hate all Christians I don't hate all Muslims I don't hate all Buddhists or all Hindus or all Jews. I DO hate my species thinking any one label is the center of the planet. I do hate the fearful right, even with Jews who refuse to sit next to women on airlines. I do hate that. But I also do VALUE my species capability of great compassion, even if I hate bad logic and hate what SOME religious individuals justify, either in logic, or in justifying violence.

I can like Malala without liking every claim she may make. I can hate Bin Laden at the same time. I can like Martin Luther King Jr but hate that people still think there is such a thing as a man with super powers. I love my Catholic Mom, but even she knew what I thought a cracker magically saving her soul.

I do HATE 36 years of GOP gerrymandering. I do hate in that entire time they successfully sold the bullshit idea that the rich have it so bad and that anyone objecting to corporate welfare and lack of regulation must want Castro's Cuba, which is a flat out lie and a slur.

I hate violence and I also DON'T agree with every single thing a liberal might claim. My "hate" is not "I want you dead" or "You have no right to exist". My "hate" is about bad logic, bad claims, bad economic polices. But no, I don't have to play nice with my words to bigots and bullies.

[Lek]

I get what you're saying Brian, but when did I say that liberals love violence?  I'm just pointing to real life events.  I wouldn't say that all liberals love violence.  As far as what you said above goes, if you replace the word "hate" with "dislike", I would agree with much, but not all, of what of what you said.

[DarkerEnergy]

Most of the people that voted for him did so because of cheesy slogans that many in America fall for too often. You know, the same old images of flags, George Washington, babbling about the constitution, and overuse of the word 'liberty' in every fucking speech like a nervous tick. Oh, and don't forget the still shots of soldiers and Arlington cemetery - those are usually saved for the presidential elections.

Same old tricks they've used since the 1970's.

[downbeatplumb]

Here is Trump starting the easter egg hunt at the whitehouse.

What is strange is that after the first sentence he goes off into an unrelated political speech that seems to be geared for one of his rallies.

My wife works with dementia patients, she looked at me and said "That man has dementia, I don't think he knows where he is".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XiHMdCzyPc

[Brian37]

I get what you're saying Brian, but when did I say that liberals love violence?  I'm just pointing to real life events.  I wouldn't say that all liberals love violence.  As far as what you said above goes, if you replace the word "hate" with "dislike", I would agree with much, but not all, of what of what you said.

Then why did you bring it up? There are violent people who hold all positions, but those people, are always the minority in any population. Most whites are not violent, most blacks are not violent, most Arabs are not violent, most humans are not violent. 

I hate people avoiding using the word "hate". Even that should be given context. There is nothing wrong with having ANY emotion, even "hate".  

"I hate broccoli", 
"I hate soccer"
"I hate bad logic"
"I hate bigots"

Now show me where anyone should think that is the same kind of "hate" as "I want you dead"? 

No, I will still us the word "hate" because I do think everyone should "hate" violence and bigotry. I do think everyone should hate attacks on science or ignorance of facts. 

I love my species CAPABILITY of great compassion, but I am NOT obligated to water down pointing out when my fellow humans act on their beliefs that lead them to harm others by law or mob. I do hate that and I will call out even my fellow atheists too. I will call out my fellow liberals too.

That insistence to always play nice with words, is far too often used by BOTH liberals and conservatives to avoid a conversation that is needed. Imagine if more people in Europe when Hitler started making noise, when he was in a small group, when he first started, if enough Germans had cared enough to hate his language. 

The biggest reason I am blunt here, isn't a call for the end of free speech, or to demand nobody even offend me or other atheists. Right now we are seeing a scary rise of far right nationalism here and in Europe. Even Turkey has moved to a more religious authoritarian view. 

Hyper nationalism and political demagoguery are dangerous as political tactics long term. Everyone should hate that regardless of party or religion. 

There is a huge difference between private free speech and the role of a western politician.

[marktzu]

I get real tired of the name calling, personal attacks etc.  The are used by people who can't formulate an argument. A dialogue would be nice between both sides.

[Minimalist]

Most of the people that voted for him did so because of cheesy slogans that many in America fall for too often. You know, the same old images of flags, George Washington, babbling about the constitution, and overuse of the word 'liberty' in every fucking speech like a nervous tick. Oh, and don't forget the still shots of soldiers and Arlington cemetery - those are usually saved for the presidential elections.

Same old tricks they've used since the 1970's.

And jesus.  Don't forget fucking jesus.