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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 11:43 am
(May 10, 2017 at 11:37 am)MellisaClarke Wrote: (May 10, 2017 at 11:33 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Being omnipotent means He has the power to control everything (within His own nature), but that doesn't mean He does. He chose to give us free will and let us make our own choices. He chose to create a natural world where things happen as they will.
Yes, ask your pastor.
I don't want to think of it like that.
What if police officers ignored murderous criminals, and allowed things to proceed as they were?
I believe God's plan is far deeper than the scenario you lay out.
You can't compare God to police officers, because police officers have limited abilities. On the other hand, God stopping us every time one of us tried to do something wrong, would mean we'd be like puppets and not people.
But yes, of course God's plan goes much deeper than what any of us can know or say. I can only offer my very limited understanding.
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 11:48 am
(May 10, 2017 at 11:33 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He chose to create a natural world where things happen as they will. Why is it such a big leap from this ^^^ to " He chose to create This is a natural world where things happen as they will."
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 11:52 am
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(May 10, 2017 at 11:43 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (May 10, 2017 at 11:37 am)MellisaClarke Wrote: I don't want to think of it like that.
What if police officers ignored murderous criminals, and allowed things to proceed as they were?
I believe God's plan is far deeper than the scenario you lay out.
You can't compare God to police officers, because police officers have limited abilities. On the other hand, God stopping us every time one of us tried to do something wrong, would mean we'd be like puppets and not people.
But yes, of course God's plan goes much deeper than what any of us can know or say. I can only offer my very limited understanding.
I don't see why we can't compare God to police, as man was made in God's image.
What about government and presidents? What if usa government allowed murderous american criminals to go uncaught?
In the scene above, government has a lot of power, and they have the power to do many things.
Yes, God's plan is deep. Prayer will connect us with God's mind one day.
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 11:53 am
(May 10, 2017 at 11:33 am)vorlon13 Wrote: (May 10, 2017 at 11:24 am)Minimalist Wrote: So your 'god' is so fucking stupid that he has to be told the same shit over and over? Does he have a short attention span? If allah was real I imagine he'd be real pissed at looking down and seeing 5 billion asses stuck in his face murmuring the same shit endlessly.
You people invent gods who are suspiciously 'human.'
As a god, I could find favor with half of those asses . . . .
It's not supposed to be a smorgasbord, you know.
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 11:57 am
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 11:59 am
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm
It makes no sense to say that we have a free choice to do whatever we wish so long as it is exactly what God already predetermined. That's not free choice.
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 12:11 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 9:58 am)Drich Wrote: (May 10, 2017 at 9:29 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Can you tap dance any faster???
Read the op and my first response. it's all there. I simply narrow the focus of what my answer was so that you guys can't play word games.
That's just more dancing, but now your waving your arms more.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 12:12 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: It makes no sense to say that we have a free choice to do whatever we wish so long as it is exactly what God already predetermined. That's not free choice.
except when He says it is . . .
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Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 10, 2017 at 12:13 pm
(May 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: It makes no sense to say that we have a free choice to do whatever we wish so long as it is exactly what God already predetermined. That's not free choice.
Why not? If our very identities are determined by God, then we can't help but will things according to His design (namely his design of us). We can choose whatever we want (Free Will), and what we want has been determined by God (Determinism)
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