Christian Teacher writes letter to school newspaper saying "Gays deserve to die"

[Brian37]

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/...85747.html
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/...05257.html

I wasn't sure if I should put this in the Christian Section or the News Section.  

My tolerance for this sort of shit is not very high.  If this were my child's teacher, I'd have some very choice words for him.  And half of them would be 'fuck'.  These types of people make me ashamed to have ever consider myself a Christian.  

Oh and of course he tried to proselytize to a student--which should have gotten the fucker fucking fired.  

What the fuck is wrong with people?  Seriously.  Do these people simply lack the brain cells to be semi-decent human beings?  Or do they just lack the will not to be fucking assholes.  This happens way more often than it should.  And Christians will of course say "But Muslims!" and "Not all Christians!"  Which is all fine and dandy.  Yeah, Muslims are out killing gay people.  And Atheists and Christians.  Doesn't make what this waste of space said any better.  Doesn't make it remotely okay.  At the end of the day this guy is still a disgusting piece of trash.

And of course he resigned. And the school board said that his views come from 'deeply held religious beliefs' and that he's basically a 'good and decent person'.  Yeah, totally good and decent.

Fucking pieces of trash.

Whats worse is that this bullshit is on display in the GOP and Oval Office and they have opened the door for our asshole right wing to have a voice. These same fuckers rightfully point to the middle east and all it's wrongful oppression of non Muslims, Christians and LGBT over there, but it seems they simply want to replicate the same right wing theocratic bullshit here. 

I have no patience for this shit either.

[brewer]

Well, eventually, and on their own, they deserve to die. If not we'll end up with a gayzombiecalypse.

[Foxaèr]

What's wrong with gay parades?

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[Zenith]

But hey, when was religion not involved in politics?

Since a person's worldview is significantly informed by their religion (or lack of) and a person's worldview will inform their decisions, and decisions constitute politics, you will never be able to separate the two.

This is so funny. If the head of the Church in my country had said that, we would expect him the next day to start collecting signatures to organise a referendum in order to change the Constitution so it would say "Give the Church the power to issue laws." ... the same as they have already done with prohibiting gay marriage explicitly by Constitution.

Yup, certain "decisions" constitute politics. Namely, decisions that affect the whole nation.

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When I use the term 'Christian' I don't mean a member of any branch. The definition is in the NT--predating any branch or division. If some church has added to it, then you can call them a protestant or catholic, etc.  A good Christian is simply a Christian who really tries to follow the guidelines. A bad does not. They are not my standards and those provided are not ambiguous. ...  "recognized that Jesus is God and died for your sins, accepted the free gift of salvation, and committed to pursue a relationship with God"

It's simple: Each branch of Christianity claims the same: "We try really hard to follow the guidelines.", the only difference being that they understand the guidelines differently than you did. Think of Martin Luther: He thought that if the Bible was in every common man's reach, all faithful would all come to the same conclusions as he did. But once people read the Bible, they understood the teachings each in his own way.

You may believe that there is some "magic" that God uses for the believer who "seeks the Truth" so that he would get it right. Or you might assume it's all obvious, because you might have been taught from the very beginning how to understand / interpret the Bible, and now it seems obvious to you that what you understand is the "correct interpretation" and that "everybody should reach the same conclusions", but there are a lot of people out there who, the same as you, have been taught from the very beginning how to understand what they were reading, the only difference being that they were given different "glasses" than you were given to see through. And everybody says "The others are not true Christians, because the truth is CLEARLY this, what I believe. The only reason the others believe otherwise is because they do not actually seek the TRUTH, or they want to keep living in sin."

Every man sees "clearly" and "obvious" that the "truth" is what himself has already learned.

What is not possible is to call someone a Christian who has not "recognized that Jesus is God and died for your sins, accepted the free gift of salvation, and committed to pursue a relationship with God".

Completely possible. Take this rewording: "It is not possible to call a Muslim a man who does not follow the true teachings of Allah." --- you, who are not a muslim, can you tell what the actual, true, teachings of Allah are, how they should actually be interpreted? No, so you call them all "muslims", even though some muslim there would cry that it's not fair, that "most muslims there are not true muslims."

Leviticus was the law of Israel 1400+years before Christ (so no Christians in sight) under a theocracy let by prophets. To attempt to apply this today is to ignore any and all historical context, source of writing, intended audience, overall purpose of the writing, and any critical thinking how the OT and NT works together.

Do you realise the fact that there is NO verse in the whole NT to say "Disregard the whole OT"? Most Christians are not NT-only --- they still keep OT in their Bible, they simply cherry-pick the verses from it which they like. Do not imagine that throughout the ages or denominations people have always "liked" / "agreed with" or "disliked" / "disagreed with" the same verses from there.

This is from the Christian instruction part of the Bible:

Love in Action
Romans 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.

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I have mentioned it before. Perhaps it was not clear enough. Most Christians (my definition of Christians) fully agree with you - they struggle to love and to never harm their own enemies. The VERY BIG problem is with those whom they perceive as the "enemies of God" --- no single place in the whole OT or the NT teaches Christians to love God's enemies. And once a Church has labeled a category of people "The enemies of God", the ones who "sin against the Holy Spirit", at that point hatred becomes fully justified against them (see Psalm 139:19-22) and they are capable of doing ANYTHING to them. This is the same logic people in the middle ages used when they fought in the crusades or when they tortured and murdered those whom they perceived as "heretics" and "witches" --- all of them were not mere enemies of people, but enemies of God.

[Cyberman]

The use of the phrase "religion (or lack of)" merely shows that religion is a non-factor in that context. Which rather shoots his argument through the balls.

[Zenith]

Leviticus was the law of Israel 1400+years before Christ (so no Christians in sight) under a theocracy let by prophets. To attempt to apply this today is to ignore any and all historical context, source of writing, intended audience, overall purpose of the writing, and any critical thinking how the OT and NT works together.

Stevell, historically Christianity has been a theocracy. It's only the past 1 or 2 centuries that secularism kicked religion off from that position - and not everywhere. In the first 2 centuries AD they could not be a theocracy for the sole reason that they were too few and too powerless - I mean, you need a good majority of Christians, and also have Christians holding political power in the state in order to have a theocracy.

You also seem to ignore two important matters:
1. Up to these last few centuries people didn't even imagine the possibility of a state being run without the will of the god(s) being taken into account. In the best case that sounded like some sort of "satanism" where the ruling people have rebelled against the god(s).
2. There is no verse in the whole NT to say smth like "Don't try anything like theocracy. We've had an experiment with during the OT times, and it went to shit. Try inventing something else than what you are already familiar with."
3. Not to mention that "theocracy" and "secularism" are modern terms, so people needed some excerpts explaining what they should mean, in order to take such a piece of advice seriously. Theocracy was just as natural to them as is having a "parliament" to us.

[Zenith]

Fix: "You also seem to ignore three* important matters:"

[Jehanne]

What the fuck is wrong with people?  Seriously.  Do these people simply lack the brain cells to be semi-decent human beings?  Or do they just lack the will not to be fucking assholes.  This happens way more often than it should.  And Christians will of course say "But Muslims!" and "Not all Christians!"  Which is all fine and dandy.  Yeah, Muslims are out killing gay people.  And Atheists and Christians.  Doesn't make what this waste of space said any better.  Doesn't make it remotely okay.  At the end of the day this guy is still a disgusting piece of trash.

And of course he resigned. And the school board said that his views come from 'deeply held religious beliefs' and that he's basically a 'good and decent person'.  Yeah, totally good and decent.

Fucking pieces of trash.

They believe in their religion; that's what is wrong with them.

[Thumpalumpacus]

This is a clear sign that the only thing keeping christianity from being just as bad as islam is secular laws holding them back. There is a lot of hate between christians and muslims, despite that there is little to nothing that muslims have done to people that christians haven't also done to people in the past.

That's two ridiculous unwarranted conclusions in only two sentences. Congrats on being efficient.

Given the history of Christian behavior over the centuries, I'd say his point is supported quite well.

Christians, like any other humans, are very capable of atrocities. Look it up.

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1. It's your premise...where does the Bible give any indications that Christians should kill people they don't agree with? 

What's wrong with a little killing? Hell, you worship a god who not only ordered his chosen people to commit genocide, he killed all but seven humans in the world for their imperfections ... which he had built into them in the first place.

One could make the argument that that is tacit approval.

Or, if you want something more concrete:

2 Now Ahaziah had fallen through the lattice of his upper room in Samaria and injured himself. So he sent messengers, saying to them, “Go and consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron, to see if I will recover from this injury.”

3 But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Go up and meet the messengers of the king of Samaria and ask them, ‘Is it because there is no God in Israel that you are going off to consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron?’

4 Therefore this is what the LORD says: ‘You will not leave the bed you are lying on. You will certainly die!’ ” So Elijah went.

5 When the messengers returned to the king, he asked them, “Why have you come back?”

6 “A man came to meet us,” they replied. “And he said to us, ‘Go back to the king who sent you and tell him, “This is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no God in Israel that you are sending messengers to consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron? Therefore you will not leave the bed you are lying on. You will certainly die!” ’ ”

7 The king asked them, “What kind of man was it who came to meet you and told you this?”

8 They replied, “He had a garment of hair and had a leather belt around his waist.” The king said, “That was Elijah the Tishbite.”

http://www.biblestudytools.com/2-kings/p...ings+1:2-8

Pretty clear message: believe in Yahweh or die.