Subjective Morals and Societal Whims

[Zenith]

[The Industrial Atheist]

[Zenith]

Like my name, my thing is Industrial Music, particularly the more electronic stuff. That song isn't bad though the guitars remind me of Fear Factory a little.

I make my own Post-Industrial music. But getting people to listen to it doesn't usually work out. It's kind of like giving a speech in a foreign language and asking them what they think.

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I was thinking of the possibility that your "industrial" comes from some sort of music. But I had in mind something like "Industrial Rock" or "Industrial Metal"

Anyway, to most people I show the music I'm listening to, from their faces I've got the impression they would say, "So, from what planet you were saying you were coming from?"

And anytime I meet a person who likes metal, even though not necessarily has the same preferences as I have, if there is a melody I share that he likes, it lights a fire in me. Sort of, makes me feel more alive. As if they understand "how I feel" sort of thing.

[TheoneandonlytrueGod]

Yes, Muhammad was a pedophile and so are atheists. Atheists are pedophiles

I, for one, am sick and fucking tired of being called a pedophile. Fuck you InteresedUser. You, your mom, your dad, your siblings and the horses you all rode in on.

I agree with you Bastard and as for you InterestedUser I'd be very careful using categorical statements (my bold above) they have a way of coming back to bite you in the ass.

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by Interested...There are no Christian pedophiles, but lots of atheist pedophiles. Counting them in prison doesn't change that fact.

Totally unsupportable. Show us empirical evidence; quotes from the bible are not empirical evidence and are barely anecdotal and therefore suspect at best. No, I want to see results from repeatable experiments, who, when, what university/college and the peer publication.

Understand the point. In atheism all there is is nature. Nature produces pedophilia. Since your world-view of naturalism leads to pedophilia and pedophilia is always wrong then atheism is wrong.. Find another faith that is evidentially proven to be true like Christianity.

Again with the categorical statement(s). (Bold mine above) What's with you and the unnatural need to make unsupportable statements? Are you an expert in the study of morals, ethics, do you have a degree, Phd perhaps in some field related to the subject at hand and if so what papers, books have you written? Give titles, publisher(s) year published and subject matter, novel?, technical and coauthor if any. Not bloody likely I suspect.

[Bunburryist]

One of the biggest mistakes in much of the "morality" and "ethics" talk is the belief that people do much of what they do for ethical or moral reasons. As is often the case in conservative positions, that position takes something very complex (human society, history, economics, individual personality, genetic predisposition, just to name a few) and condenses it down to some freeze-dried set of rules. How often - in real everyday life - do people think, "Gee, what moral reason do I have to do or not do this act?" One interesting argument against that view is that I never, ever think "Is this or that act morally right," and yet I seem to pretty much stay out of trouble and my life goes along pretty well. How can that be if I never consider the "morality" of an act.

Another point, is that any choice based on morals implies an endless internal debate. Should I steal? Does that mean never? How about if my children are starving? What if they're just kind of starving? At what degree of starvingness does it become okay to steal? What if it's someone elses kids who are starving? Then there's the difference between people of the same belief. How much should a person donate? 10%? Should a working person with 10 kids donate the same percentage of his income as someone who has inherited millions of dollars and has no kids? How do you define "working on the Sabbath?" This is why religious criticism is such a never ending pursuit. You could fill volumes with these kinds of questions. At the end of the day, even if religious commandments are really from a God, a person still has to find reasons in his own mind and own life to answer these questions - the same kinds of reasons atheists use to answer questions in their lives. Answers based on one's internal sense of justice, one's experience in life, one's fear of disapproval by society, one's desire to feel good about one's self, one's habitual ethical positions, one's desires to move the social world in some particular direction, etc. See how messy it is.